That £1.2bn could fund our NHS
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I think we’re only paying into the budget (and projects thereof) until it ends in 2020 (as that’s what we agreed when it was set) not sure if we’re paying into anything beyond that, but as the negotiations are still ongoing who knows?
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Not biting.
Desperation / stupidity / lack of planning?
I believe we made certain 7-year budget commitments that we’re being pressured into honouring.
I guess we can refuse to pay but I guess that might get us arse fucked in negotiations.
Perhaps with no deal we’ll just walk away from those commitments.
And you’re wromg, Djokovic wouldn’t have beaten Federer in their respective primes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx4AF-3Rd44https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx4AF-3Rd44
The reality of a no deal Brexit, in a few months time, From some guys who actually know what they are talking about.
Some interesting stuff discussed but the format is just a pisstake at the expense of Brexiteers. Slightly uncomfortable watching as a result.
Also as soon as one of them had something interesting to say, the others chipped in with their anecdotes.
Now I realise how annoying I must be with a beer in me.
Still some fundamentally important questions raised about the folly of no deal.
The format was to counter the Farage image that he was countering the metropolitan elite, by being photographed in a pub with a pint. The politics, is up to you.
Yes, we’ve seen the video before, @SaintBristol. It was linked before. That bit about the multi-millionaire truck magnate having to shut his company down because of seven hour delays was very sad.
It was a bit like Bambi’s mum getting shot.
Except of course, the transparent fucking donut might set off seven hours earlier and save his multimillion pound business.
Perhaps that eventually is covered in the sequel, “Bambi II: Bambi goes bonkers with drill and set”.
Nah in Bambi II, (back to reality) the cost of those extra 7 hours transportation, is passed onto the company whose goods are being transported, which in turn is passed on to the eventual consumer… most likely leading to an inflationary rise in the cost of living and without the growth to see sustainable wage rises. Goods become less affordable, standards of living decease…
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His point about delays, cost of transport or length in transit, all deserve debate - just not in a pub in that format.
There are far worthier topics of debate that have fallen by the wayside, such as whether Labour adopting a Remain stance is going to push people into the hands of the far right.
Three self-entitled affluent twats pining collectively in a bar over their loss of earnings, or intended lack of graft, doesn’t really do it for me.
Have you been anywhere a business recently? It may surprise sir to learn that despite the billing, they are not well-oiled streamlined machines in which everything is lovingly crafted at the lowest possible price to the consumer.
Many are dysfunctional on an organisational, departmental or individual level. Those costs are passed down to the consumer. That’s why I’ve always felt it nonsense to say that the private sector is more efficient than the public.
Those chickens have come home to roost big style with the collapse of Carillion and other contractors.
I’ve since heard this bloke in another interview. His business is doing exhibitions. His “horror stories” involve getting goods into Switzerland and having to wait seven hours at the border.
If he genuinely cannot manage his exhibition transport business, which you’d imagine is bespoke and pretty high margin, then someone else will be glad of the business, and probably worthier than the whining podgster on my YouTube channels.
You don’t think you’re being a little too easily dismissive, @pap, of the problems they discussed?
See my comments above. Didn’t like the format and thought the spectacle did a disservice to the important concerns they were discussing.
Transit issues could mean costs rise, could mean we can’t export certain things, could make us less competitive and could mean we just can’t bring in low value perishable goods (food for example) from further afield than our nearest physical neighbours. Or if we can it could cost significantly more.
Forgetting his millionaire status and forgetting the arrogant cunt he came across as, I personally felt he raised concerns that I hadn’t thought of before.
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I am sure there are ‘worthier’ topics… but to for most folks in the street, the politics of this is not on their minds… or wont be when the reality hits them in the pocket. Most folks don’t care for a philosophical/political discourse, but they will care when they can no longer afford fresh tomatoes or oranges… It might seem like a trivial thing to the highbrow ‘intellectuals’, but when your wage ‘increase’ disappears due to inflation… that is a genuine concern, but you seem more concerned with ignoring it because some twat millionaire is being a moaning cunt…
Yes there are plenty of inefficiencies in many businesses… there are also plenty in the public sector, so i would be careful to point that finger… But its also irrelevant to the argument… If companies found it that easy to improve efficiency do you not think they would? Brexit will just add to the complexity and whilst Bletch says ‘could’ - its most likely a ‘will’ …
(NB. FYI, He may be a twat, but if he is in exhibitions, then the reasons for 7 hours at CH borders is not inefficiency but because of the need to often audit the goods as they tend to be temporary imports and not subject to duties as they will be taken out again after the exhibit is over… its why it takes so long compared to within EU where this does not matter… I know the to be true having worked with such companies in the past… But it is a reminder of what we would likely to have without a deal in place and the costs of all such things WILL be passed on to the consumer… )
For you it seems, this is all just an intellectual debate… a (pointless) exercise in trying to win on with ideology… for most, it will be a grim reality of everyday shit, costs going up…
If you think this is intellectual debate only for me, you couldn’t be more wrong. One of the reasons this does excite my intellectual curiosity is precisely because of the practical outcomes I think it will have.
We’re already seeing for example, that yes, the laws of supply and demand do still apply, and that scarcer commodities get more expensive. Unskilled labour has got scarcer. Wages have gone up.
Which is why I don’t get the notion that costs are going to suddenly start rocketing. Granted, this man and others like him, servicing European destinations will have to adapt to change their business practices.
These people have had two years to diversify. I’m sorry, but that is far longer than any of us would get as individuals to sort our affairs out if our income was suddenly threatened.
These two years will probably be the toughest we face. Our currency is worth less at a time when we’re still mandated to buy some of the most expensive goods in the global village. It’s eye of the storm stuff.
When we’re able to access other markets, those prices, just like many of our import purchases, will move globally south.
… we do approx 50% of our trade with the EU because they are the countries wanting our goods and services… I would be less bullish about these ‘other markets’ who we already trade with suddenly wanting a shed load more… whilst we struggle with trading with our closest partners…
… if you think 2 years of struggle will be worth it then I can’t help you as it will undoubtedly be longer as we plough back towards 70s Britain… I have to admit that at least with those who said they voted Brexit to stop immigration, they had a tangible if misguided and ignorant rationale… as you did not need Brexit to deal with that problem… but you are following your heart not head in all this based on faith that ‘things can only get better’ and we all know what happened the last time that tune was sung out…
Many companies are using Brexit as the excuse to leave, they’ll be massively lowering costs if they ship to Eastern Europe, Brexit is a dream they all wanted.
True.
Rees Mogg’s Somerset Capital Management, Dyson’s manufacturing business and Tim Martin’s Whetherspoon’s will all benefit from Brexit.
Why? Cleaners in Wetherspoons using Dysons want to invest?
