:brexit: Brexit - The Ramifications

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I’m not gonna keep on banging on (too late!) but Pap mate, you being an educated man, looked at the detail and voted us out of the EU.

If you didn’t believe that this was also voting us out of the Single Market, then you cocked up.

If you didn’t realise that it would damage our economy, then you cocked up.

If you believe that we are stronger now, then I’m afraid you fall squarely into the fuckwit category.

Because the only people who will benefit at the moment are stock traders, racists and the mega rich.

This has been a disaster for the poor and you strike me as someone who cares about the weakest in society, so your stance on this has left me, and I suspect others, puzzled.

Simple question - now that you have seen markets fall, jobs lost etc, if you had the chance to vote again, would you still vote Leave?

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FFS, it hasn’t even been a week yet.

I would still vote leave. I am not responsible for hiring and firing decisions. The weakest and poorest in society are already being shat on. The only way that I see them getting out of that situation is if we’re able to return to a model of public ownership, council housing and all the things that have been stripped from them over the last 40 years.

That cannot happen under existing EU legislation. We cannot be governed by an unremovable elite. I completely stand by my vote.

If the economy really is about confidence, how do you think your hysteria is helping that right now?

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Originally posted by @pap

If the economy really is about confidence

I thought you said you understood how the economy worked?

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I think that’s fair, pap. These bros are acting like they lost the vote, but won the argument. They’re like England when Rooney tucked in that early penalty, and they was like yay, job done. Quarter finals for us srs.

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I saw a documentary the other day starring george clooney and it was about how the economy markets are being warped by robots. What happens, is i.e. I think Mars Bars are not as nice as they used to be, so I sell my £20 share in Mars, then all the robots see that sale and think, uh-oh, something is up with Mars srs, does not compute, so they sell their shares, and then other robots see that, and they sell their shares, and then suddenly Mars Bar is only 5p each, and I think, shit, that’s pretty good deal for a Mars Bar, so I buy one, and the robots see this and they think, hmm, Mars Bars is hot again srs! So they buy back all their Mars shares plus more, then other robots notice, and they get in on the action, and Mars is like through the roof srs.

Fkn robots.

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Originally posted by @Bucks

Originally posted by @pap

If the economy really is about confidence

I thought you said you understood how the economy worked?

He doesn’t accept how the economy works, he rejects it as per his previous posts. That way he can absolve himself with the old “not in my name” mantra.

Pap voted out to help regain a socialist utophia free from the evil shackles off the EU where capitalism is redefined and exists for the benefit of the most needy in society and not the evil bosses and their plans to enslave us all.

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Actually I know more about this than letting on. Bloke at work has got one of these robots on his computer. I spose millions of people do. What it does is you put some money in (he started with £250), and leave it to do its business. When a thing is going up, the robot automatically puts a little money on it, and so do all the other millions of robots, so it goes up quickly, and then all the robots sell and take a little profit. It does loads of little stock buy sells like that constantly. He made £500 profit in the first week, but it’s just all bollocks. It doesn’t make the thing any better or worse, it’s just a load of robots playing pontoon.

It’s a fkn joke, when you think about it.

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Thanks for the hysteria label Pap, nice touch.

I’ve probably come across as many things on here but I’m not sure hysterical is one of them so I guess that was just this week’s special offer - free insult with every piece of expert advice on the economy.

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Video bout brexit

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Originally posted by @Rallyboy

Thanks for the hysteria label Pap, nice touch.

I’ve probably come across as many things on here but I’m not sure hysterical is one of them so I guess that was just this week’s special offer - free insult with every piece of expert advice on the economy.

Dude, you’re losing your shit after less than a week of a forever arrangement, that by the way, hasn’t even been invoked yet.

It’s not an insult. It might not be a statement of fact, but it is my assessment.

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We need to set up a bogus Sotonians business and find a way to get all these robots to buy into us. Can’t be that hard surely? We then cash in and do a runner!

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Originally posted by @Flahute

He doesn’t accept how the economy works, he rejects it as per his previous posts. That way he can absolve himself with the old “not in my name” mantra.

Pap voted out to help regain a socialist utophia free from the evil shackles off the EU where capitalism is redefined and exists for the benefit of the most needy in society and not the evil bosses and their plans to enslave us all.

Thanks for listening on the first paragraph at least. The financial system, as constituted, is little more than a means of bondage for those that don’t have enough money. When you live in a society when a working man can do 40 hours a week, and still not make ends meet, the financial system gets even fatter.

Even the way that the term is used in the broader sense is Orwellian. Since when did economise mean endlessly produce and consume? It usually means the complete opposite.

I think there is a huge amount of room for the private sector, just nothing like the space inhabits right now, and where there is a clear conflict of interests, such as healthcare or prisons, we should nationalise.

Where there is a clear case of something being a “tax”, defined by me as something you can’t avoid paying, such as utility bills or transport costs, we should nationalise.

We need to build enough housing supply so that people aren’t unduly penalised for their most basic right.

The private sector can have everything else.

Not exactly Marx, is it.

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No, I’m not losing my shit, I’m losing money.

I’m not rich, but like many, I am losing money, now, today - not in thirty years time when we’ve negotiated our first proper trade deal, but today.

All through the activities of a bunch of people, primarily made up of fuckwits, plus a decent smattering of racists, most of whom didn’t know what they were doing.

And behind this army of fuckwits there are a load of people too embarrassed to admit that they have fallen in with fuckwits, and behind them there is a lone voice that still thinks teaming up with fuckwits to vote us into recession, was a good idea.

Whatever facts you put before him he still cannot see an alternative view, so there is little point in debating it with him further.

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I don’t what is scarier - that cunt Gove now standing - or how quickly he turned on his own - mind you it would be fitting for such a cunt to go down in history as responsible for this shite

Papus Maximus - on his command he has unleashed hell.

Thing is, who IS responsible ? Because, whilst a principled stance is what democracy is all about - ultimately, intelligent folks should surely consider ALL the likely consequences of their vote ? Or is that expecting too much?

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Originally posted by @Rallyboy

No, I’m not losing my shit, I’m losing money.

I’m not rich, but like many, I am losing money, now, today - not in thirty years time when we’ve negotiated our first proper trade deal, but today.

All through the activities of a bunch of people, primarily made up of fuckwits, plus a decent smattering of racists, most of whom didn’t know what they were doing.

And behind this army of fuckwits there are a load of people too embarrassed to admit that they have fallen in with fuckwits, and behind them there is a lone voice that still thinks teaming up with fuckwits to vote us into recession, was a good idea.

Whatever facts you put before him he still cannot see an alternative view, so there is little point in debating it with him further.

I haven’t got an issue with an alternative view. Equally, I’m not sure it is I can do for you. I think that you’re being massively unfair in attributing your particular circumstances to an individual on an Internet forum.

A couple of posts ago, you got cross because I used the word hysteria to describe some of your earlier content. I’ve been putting up with insults, just about disguised as points on the issue.

Bitter remainers have been using me as a punching bag for their frustrations, and it’s not on. There is plenty of blame to go around, should you wish to get into that sort of thing.

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Ok, well it almost seems too serious a situation to post this, but as we’re already in the realms of farce in the real world…

Pooh and Piglet Talk Brexit

“How did you vote?”, asked Pooh

“Leave”, said Piglet

“Oh, for fuck’s sake”, said Pooh, “Why the fuck did you do that?”

“Because if we leave, then we’ll fix the NHS”

“We’re not going to fix the NHS, Piglet, that was all bollocks. All the people who told you to vote Leave are the very same people who want to privatise the fucking thing”

“Oh. But anyway there’s also those bloody Heffalumps”

“Heffalumps?”

“Yes, the bloody Heffalumps who keep coming to live in the wood, there are too many”

“But they do things for us, Piglet, and voting Leave won’t actually stop them coming anyway”

“Oh. But I just want to get back control of the wood”

“You fucktard. You never had control of the wood, you’re a fucking piglet. You’re just going to get even more fucked over by different people”

“Oh. But why did you want to Remain?”, asked Piglet

“I liked that everyone worked together, I felt safe”

“Is that all? You’re probably still safe”

“I also fancied going to live in a different wood one day, and maybe if I had kids they would too, but now maybe we can’t.”

“Oh. But we’ll have more honey to go around now…?”

“I’m afraid not, Piglet. We won’t have to give away any honey, but there’ll almost certainly be less to begin with”

“Oh. Well at least we’ve got rid of the pig-fucker, I didn’t like him”

“I can understand that, Piglet, but have you seen the next guy!? I have a feeling he’ll be doing more than just oral”

“Oh my. But they were going to build a huge scary super-wood”

“They never actually said that, and even if there were going to be a huge super-wood, would you rather be part of it, playing with all your new friends, or just outside it with nobody paying you any attention?”

“Oh, I see what you mean. But ours used to be the most important wood of all the woods”

“That’s true, Piglet, but that was well over a hundred fucking years ago now, and none of us were alive. You really need to get your head out of your arse”

“But our grandparents won the big war to protect our wood, we need to make sure we keep it safe”

“Actually, that’s a load of horse-shit. We won the big war to protect other people in other woods and to stop nationalist fuckers killing people because they were different. It showed that we’re safer if we all work together and stop thinking of each other as different”

“But the Heffalumps, I don’t like them, they’re not like us”

“Fuck my luck. Piglet, you’re a fucking Piglet and I’m a stuffed Bear. We’re all different, that’s what makes the wood a fun place to live. You like Kanga don’t you? She’s different”

“But Kanga’s been here for ages and I like her food”

“Christ on a bike, Piglet, you are a fucking cockwomble”

“Beer?” asked Piglet

“You’re buying” said Pooh, “and I want pork scratchings”

“Oh my”.

THE END.

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Originally posted by @pap

Bitter remainers have been using me as a punching bag for their frustrations, and it’s not on.

Fucking hell, Pap…precious much?

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Possibly, but possibly doing people a favour.

There are 17m people out there that voted to Leave the EU. If this sort of form is replicated in real life with less understanding peeps, someone could get smacked.

Of course. It’ll be Brexit’s, and therefore my fault :lou_sunglasses:

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I’ve had to bite my tongue a couple of times when Brexiters have been banging on about how happy they are we left. These are in social situations (my kid’s football team) so I’ve decided not to get into an argument over it.

Doesnt alter my opinion, though. And I wonder how these people will feel in a few years time when investment decisions in large corps result in cutbacks which mean that people stop spending their money on the small businesses these people run. They don’t seem to realise how vulnerable they are…

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Ahem.

As someone from an ethnic minority background, I have been dismayed by the scorn and intolerance directed at Brexiters. I had sound reasons for my choice

Sadly, many remain voters care little for the reasoning or rationale behind the decision of Brexit voters. I’ve seen Brexiters being grouped together and called “idiot”, “racist”, and other derogatory terms, simply by virtue of being Brexit voters. Their rationale is redundant, and their motives irrelevant. The only thing being placed on trial is the positioning of their X on the ballot paper.

These remain voters have descended into the barbarism and intolerance that they fight against so valiantly in others. They condemn the notion that all Muslims should be held responsible for the atrocious actions of Isis, but then proceed to implicate all Brexiters in the recent post-Brexit racist attacks. They advocate the importance of tolerance and an understanding of different viewpoints. And yet, I can’t help but notice the intellectual arrogance that has exuded from many remain voters, and their failure to distinguish between Brexiters desiring to make “Britain white again” and those who made a genuine attempt to consider all the arguments and implications before casting their vote. Among the latter, you’ll find voters who did their best to make an informed decision; whose parents are immigrants; and who abhor the racist motivations of other Brexiters just as much as remain voters do.