Are we allowed to talk about George Soros spending millions on trying to subvert the democratic process in this country, or is pointing that out all antisemitic dog whistle or whatever?
Also, can we talk about Italy? They were on the brink of going to the polls again because the Italian president refused to have an anti EU minister in the mix.
“Fortunately”, a deal has been struck between two populist parties, the markets have been becalmed, at the small cost of having a far right Interior minister hellbent on forcibly deporting half a million migrants.
We will miss it when we have left. Whenever and however that is.
Italy has had a history of some dodgy politicians. In the EU and out. Like a lot of countries.
The anti EU minister is still in the mix. He’s the EU minister. Perfect job for him.
Lega Nord have been around a long time (about 1989). I remember studying them at uni mid 90s. Awful bunch of people who don’t really like anything South of Venice.
Salvini wants to deport undocumented migrants. That’s again what most countries want to do. Whether any of them actually are successful in doing so is another matter.
Hey Pap, Who has by proxy funded right wing and extremism? In Europe and elsewhere? Who benefits from a weak Europe. Putin isn’t a socialist, he’s apolitical, the line between politics, money an power is so blurred
This is not even the first time that the EU has attempted to meddle in Italy. It imposed a technocratic government on Italy, and effectively dismissed the Greek people when they decided they might want debts they could actually pay.
Now I know that most Remainers think of the EU as vaguely beneficial, even if they cannot articulate why. One of the most frequent claims is that the EU kept the peace, even though the Treaty of Vienna did better without the need for political union. After the defeat of Napoleon, it was 99 years before Europe saw a general war.
Personally, all I think the EU will achieve long-term is to create the sort of nationalism that has led to general calamity in the past.
We’ve been lucky. The worst we’ve had are wankers like Nick Griffin or Tommy Robinson, easily dismissable on the “quality” of their arguments, nowhere near anywhere they can do official damage.
The far right are in Parliament, in government and now in ministerial posts in Italy. British voters have no power to change this, but they do not have to be politically unified with them either.
Well I suppose we have funded it. All of these extreme right wing parties are using the EU as something they rail against. The tragedy is that the EU has given them plenty of legitimate beefs to cook up for the public.
We’re a net contributor. Our tax money has gone into funding an undemocratic thrust by an unelected executive.
The EU hasn’t solved war. Hasn’t solved the scourge of extremist nationalism. When historians pick over its bones, they’ll say that it planted the seeds for more of the same.
Yep pretty horrific they are in government. From those I spoke to in Italy didn’t think that Lega would break with Forza. But they have. Will the union of MS5 and Lega last long as they have little in common. Have many Italian governments lasted long? I suppose we can hope this one wont last long.
Ever increasing security measures, in the name of security. China now has the most sophisticated facial recognition software and can use it in peoples homes. The UK already has more CCTV cameras and 2/3 of EU countries have voted for a ban on people obscuring there face in public. I.E Burka ban.
I doff my cap to you on matters Italian, and appreciate your input on the thread.
The worry for paranoid bastards like me is the trend. Italy ain’t our first recent rodeo in the far fight’s rise to prominence in places European. Austrians have got the far right in coalition government, AfD is now the opposition in Germany due to Merkel’s deal with the SDP. Macron just kicked the French situation up the .road in a way I reckon will come back to bite France.
Alexander Dukin. Far right guru and pretty much policy thinker for Putin. Putin was handed the presidency in 1999 by Boris Berezovsky, one of Yeltsin’s financial backers. He was seen as a little stooge figure for Yeltsini’s cronies. An ex KGB guy who grew up in post war St Petersburg. his mother nearly starved to death. Hr idolised his father who died after getting back and was disabled, He spent 15 years in East Germany and rose to the head of the KGB. His mission was to compromise western agents to help. he’s never strayed from that.
"The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia
“United Kingdom should be cut off from Europe.”
“Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because ““Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics”. Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible.[1]”
In the United States: Russia should use its special forces within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism. For instance, provoke “Afro-American racists”. Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics.
Alexander Dukin’s main thing is an anti Atlanticist one. Split the US from Europe and it’s allies and create a new reality that isn’t a cutural post war western one. Vladislav Surkov, i’m tired
Apparently, BAE had to lay off 1400 on the Hawk production line and the aircraft sales are being kept going by sales to oppressive Middle Eastern regimes.
