:brexit: Brexit - The Ramifications

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Will be interesting how long the rump of the EU lasts.

Poland passed an anti abortion law that means any Polish National that has an abortion for ANY reason EVEN overseas faces a jail term.

Then decided to appoint Judges against EU rules

And today they are floating the idea that people with Handicaps should be removed from the Electoral Register. That one is going to explode I am sure later and I’ll try and find some links.

Basically the EU has to now implement Sanctions on a member state who have such a Nationalist leadership they won’t care.

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Take back control of your Immigration Policies they said.

Throw out the EU Nationals stealing your jobs they said.

Aand remember, when Mayhem was Home Secretary she was responsible for swingeing cuts to the “Border Force” that left this type of stuff happening

So anyway, today the head of the Border Force has pointed out that those cuts haven’t been replaced so even when you get control back they don’t have the resources to find anyone

It is impossible to track down the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants working on the black market in the UK, a border workers’ union boss has warned.

Swingeing cuts to the immigration enforcement workforce has left the country vulnerable, it is claimed.

And there will be no way of enforcing new rules on EU nationals once the Government’s post-Brexit immigration strategy is eventually finalised.

That is the warning from Lucy Moreton, of the Border Force workers’ trade union the ISU.

She told the Sun: 'If you are here illegally you can survive very well, you access medical services your child can go to school the chances of us catching you are very, very slim.

‘If you don’t break the law we are not going to get you as we don’t have the resources. We can’t catch you.’

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Money we have committed to pay already. We would owe this if we remained in the EU.

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If this is what we actually owe / obligated to pay in the future, then I cannot see much wrong with it.

I would be less happy is there was a “penalty” element to it. I would also like to know if our share of the goodies that the EU has accumulated over the years has been included.

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According to them above people will access services. So the NHS now want a payment from non eu citizens who dont have reciprocal agreements. I worked with a mum whose husband paid for her maternity care.

As they also said your children go to achool. They are now asking schools for copies of passports/ID. I believe this is a way to find illegal immigrants. As a local government worker I’ve been trained in identifying fake ID and was told by the home office trainer to report any that are illegal.

Single men and women may get away easier but not sure families will.

Will EU citizens be desperately trying to come to the UK and pay to get a fake visa or whatever is going to be in place?

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Yes, but we would have had all the benefits of EU membership while paying our fair share. Now we pay this money over while losing those benefits.

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We would also have all the disadvantages of the EU

We knew there would be a bill. I am fine with that. My view is that in the longer term we will be better off out, than within an organisation which will strive for greater intergration.

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According to them above people will access services. So the NHS now want a payment from non eu citizens who dont have reciprocal agreements. I worked with a mum whose husband paid for her maternity care.

As they also said your children go to achool. They are now asking schools for copies of passports/ID. I believe this is a way to find illegal immigrants. As a local government worker I’ve been trained in identifying fake ID and was told by the home office trainer to report any that are illegal.

Single men and women may get away easier but not sure families will.

Will EU citizens be desperately trying to come to the UK and pay to get a fake visa or whatever is going to be in place?

To be honest, the NHS should have been charging since forever. Those agreements have always been in place - nd some non EU countries still appear to have agreements in place.

As for schooling, yes that may catch some, but equally if you are in the country illegally would you put your kids into a school knowing you would get caught>

On the resource subject, does Border Force actually have the funding and budgets to take action when someone is caught this way?

I just know about this stuff from reading about the total clusterfuck of Terminal 5 arrivals when it opened. The maths were simple - Low Cost and other airlines were growing, tourist numbers were up, UK passengers getting on low cost flights were up, revenues at airports were up yet Mayhem thought it was a good idea to REDUCE the number of Border Staff.

That was a LONG time before Brexit was even a concept. And I bet there is NO budget plan to cope with increased checks post Brexit.

(And we all know Ports & Customs have no resources by the number of photos we see of migrants getting off trucks on Motorways)

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To @bathsaint 's point, this wouldn’t be the first time that billions of public money had been squandered on something useless. I’m annoyed about all of it.

On the EU specifically, our friends and neighbours are taking the royal piss. However, I would far rather pay £55bn once to get out, than £10bn every year, in perpetuity, for the privilege of having centralised mandarins make our laws.

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Someone somewhere must have done some maths based on current pound values.

55 mil.

How many

TSR2 Projects

Concordes

Channel Tunnel

Tilting Trains

Projects does that actually equate to?

Ooh left off

Vickers Valiant. Westland.

RBS HBOS?

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Ah ha

1. Defence Information Infrastructure

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According to the then chairman of the PAC, Edward Leigh, there was no suitable pilot carried out for such a multifaceted programme. The condition of the Department’s buildings where the system was to be installed was badly miscalculated due to insufficient research.

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2. NHS National Program for IT

In September 2013, an NHS patient record system that would have been the world’s largest non-military IT system was abandoned, in what could be the most catastrophic IT failure ever seen by the government. The failed centralised e-record system cost the taxpayer over £10 billion, £3.6 billion more than ministers had anticipated.

From the outset, the project was plagued by delays. The delivery of core systems was stalled due to fears that some software was not fit for purpose. After seven years, only 13 acute trusts out of 169 received the full patient administration systems they were agreed under the National Programme. The new systems also caused chaos for many users; a newly-installed IT system lost Barts NHS Trust thousands of patient records, delaying the treatment of urgent cases, costing millions in additional staff and warranting an internal investigation. The Milton Keynes Foundation Trust wrote a cautionary letter to the times about the inefficacy of their system, and warning others not to use it.

3. Scottish Parliament Building

The Scottish Parliament Building has been controversial for a host of things, including its location, architect and design – it’s described by one particularly glorious TripAdvisor review as a “grotesque brutalist mess” – but the reason a public enquiry was made into its construction was because of constant delays and its escalating cost. Initially scheduled to inaugurate in 2001, its doors finally opened three years later with an estimated cost of £414million, much higher than its original estimate of £10-40 million. The inquiry found incompetence in the management of the entire project, including fulfilment of cost and the way major design changes were added.

The cost hasn’t stopped there. Figures have revealed that the building’s average repair bill has reached £141,000 per month, five times the figure during the building’s first year. This means that since 2004, maintenance costs have set taxpayers back by £11 million, which of course is higher than some of the initial estimates for the cost of constructing the building itself.

Yeah there’s plenty more,

So how to pay for it?

Stop having big ideas and big projects and fucking them up!

(HS2 & 3, Crossrail 2)

Sorted and you can still give the 350mil to the NHS

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What will the money be spent on?

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European Capital of Culture campaign for 2023 - which we have just been turfed out of

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MP’s expense accounts of course

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That was a particularly vindictive and counter-productive move.

You don’t need to be an EU member to be European Capital of Culture. Istanbul got the honour a while ago, and they’ve never been members.

Still, the EU can do no wrong in some eyes.

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And I reckon the £350m (before rebates) that we pay the EU a week should be split amongst those that voted remain! Only fair.

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Now we are not going to be paying the EU, you would like that money divided between those that voted remain?

You’re a very generous man Bob.

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:lou_lol:

We’ve still got 2 years before we leave…at least, that’s £36bn (before rebates) right there…

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57bn in perspective (context of GDP)

Its like getting a divorce- you earn 50k a year, have no savings, but only have to pay out 5k once and thats it, you also keep the house and all other assets… yet i suspect there will be some screaming its to much…

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Yes, but when you’re already massively in debt, spending more than you earn, having to spend loads on home security, have really expensive medical bills and are trying to educate your kids, plus look after your elderly relatives, then 5k might look like quite a lot.