:brexit: Brexit - The Ramifications

Really? I remember going to a Left Unity gig at Kings College London in which noted left winger, journalist, internationalist and activist, Tariq Ali, and supporter of an exit from the EU, said that it didn’t matter if we voted to leave the EU. We’d still be a vassal state of the US.

That is a commonly held sentiment, held to greater or lesser degree cross party, and across the public.

Post empire, there has been a realisation that we are not masters of our own destiny. So if we’re not, who is?

And, incidentally, I’m not comparing you to Nick Griffin, merely commenting that your little bon mot would sit well in his mouth. You, on the other hand, are comparing successive governments of this country with one that participated quite cheerfully in the rounding-up and extermination of Jews, Gypsies, socialists, communists, trades unionists and others. Still, Pétain had his reasons, I guess.

Again, we disagree entirely. As a linguist, you surely know that any mention of someone else in relation draws comparison. That’s a concept I think even laymen would appreciate.

My Vichy observations are based on subservience to a foreign power. We are a puppet of many nations. Militariliy, we have barely diverted from illegal US policy since the 1980s, the last time we had a serious disagreement. Economically, increasing areas of policy have come under the purview of the EU.

That is ceding sovereignty, and in many cases, I think there has been outright collaboration. I’m glad we officially voted to leave this mess before the far right gained power in this institution that everyone seemed so keen to be a part of. History will judge us well.

“…History will judge us well”

Objection your honour. Supposition…unless the defence can actually read the future.

I was comparing something you’d said (the Vichy Britain quip), not you. If you can’t tell the difference then I’m not going to try to explain it.

Again, you talk constantly and consistently as if the other EU countries are some sort of occupying power - your reference to collaboration is an example, and there are many others. As I said above, I see this as straying down a distinctly nationalist path; if you can find an example of nationalism ending well in an independent sovereign state such as this, then I’d be interested in hearing it.

And yes, the UK is an independent sovereign state. Not a vassal state, not a puppet state. I would certainly disagree with a great deal of UK policy over the past few decades, but the idea that we are ruled by a foreign power, or a combination of foreign powers, is simply nonsensical.

I guess we won’t agree on this, so I’ll leave it at that. But I do find your increasingly vehement nationalism deeply worrying.

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That’s two of the Soviet who have turned.

Is RB one of the “owners”?

What’s happening to sotonians? It’s imploding!

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Yeah, pap and I are going to have a proper scrap before the match on Saturday. We’ll both be tooled up and ready to rumble. Best to steer clear if you don’t like the sight of blood.

I fully expect a rebellion at the next sotonians Soviet curry. Pap will be strung up like Mussolini.

Socialism was taken to the max by the Russians after a “German” invented it.

And now “The Authorities” have worked out that perhaps (like the US) those Pesky Russians may have meddled in the referendum.

Which would make sense in an average Thriller book I suppose - weakens the “superstate”.

Mark Zuckerberg could actually have a lot to answer for.

Or not, as he won’t give a stuff one way or the other

While the article may be straw grasping the comments are almost as much fun as watching the Soviet battle with the proles and each other on this thread.

Oh aye. I’m planning on marching down ze strasse with my bald bonced mates, because increasingly vehement nationalism.

Frankly, I think that Vichy Britain touched a big nerve, and that the cap may be a better fit than my detractors would care to admit. You are, after all, pining to stay in a union that can count the far right on the benches of their respective Parliaments.

Hahah classic Pap

The same ‘democracy’ that gives seats to the far right through PR in some EU states is the same Democracy that allowed the far right to contribute to your new utopian Brexit vision… you have become like mad Trump, your Vichy Britain is his Fake news, shout it enough times in the hope it sticks. Its a desperate measure whatever you say - hyperbole of puppet states and being ruled by the right… the main thrust of your argument seems to change almost daily, from the undemocratic commission, to wage suppression through to being overrun by EU nazis… yet refusing to ever acknowledge that Brexit has empowered them both here and abroad… the new nationalism represented here by those xenophobes and little Englander only kept out of a formal voice by a nonPR system…

A downvote from @areloa-grandee ? Fucking cunt… Don’t you know this is where I come for my upvotes?

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You can rely on me Fats. :lou_lol:

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Thanks @lifeintheslowlane . I feel happier now but was deeply traumatised earlier.

The right want in
The right want out
In, out, in, out
We won’t be ruled by a Kraut
We hate Vichy Britain
And we shout quite loud
That’s what it’s all about
Whoaaaaaaaaaaa Vichy Britain
Whoaaaaaaaaaaaa Vichy Britain
Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Vichy Britain
You’re wrong, I’m right, rah rah rah

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i don’t know what vichy britain means :lou_sad:

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You’re free to think as you like, of course. You’re quite wrong on this, though.

I thought Vichy Britain was Leon’s missus.

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I find your acquiescence to foreign powers deeply disturbing.

Do I need to repeat that to make my point? :lou_sunglasses:

Fats… I am mortified. Fat fingers have fucked me…

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It’s the name of the designer handbags we are going to sell to the world, when we’re free from occupation.

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Was it Kevin Spacey?

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