Yes, that and the jobs that rely on these people being here. They’ll all be on the dole as a result so we can say goodbye to whatever tax they’d have paid.
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Ridiculous, but a brilliant example of the doom-laden remainin’ Remain arguments.
Your argument is predicated on the incredible assertion that people that lose their jobs will not seek new employment.
They could all move to Peterborough and pick vegetables
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Or continue to work in the capital. I hear there are a fair few jobs going there.
Has anyone told Bucks?
David Davis says whatever happens “we will have a basic deal - i think of it as a deal without the bits we want”.
WTF! What happened to ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’? Surely even the most ardent Brexiters have trouble defending this clusterfuck. Why won’t they publish the brexit impact assessments, if, as Davis says, they are not really assessments just essays!What are they frightened of? This country’s policy on Brexit is ‘a deal without the bits you want’. Any Brexiters out there feeling like an utter knob yet, for being taken for a ride? Whoever would have thought it would be so easy to convince deluded gullible people to vote to be worse off.
Jacob Really-Smug, Farage, Johnson, Fox, Gove, Murdoch, Dacre, must be splitting their sides laughing!
Still, at least we have the 350 mill a week for the NHS to look forward to ----- oh, hang on a minute!
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Oh, I don’t give a shit about the people working in finance and banking per se. They’ll find new jobs all right - in Frankfurt and Paris. That’s where they’ll pay their taxes and that where people will be employed providing those bankers with the services and products they consume.
It is estimated that a hard Brexit would see the financial services sector in the UK shrink by about 20%. Given that the sector represents 14% of employment but closer to 20% of tax take, that’s a disproportionately large amount of tax that disappears. It also screws our balance of payments even more than it’s already screwed. According to the news this morning, it represents in excess of £58billion positive balance of payments. Shrink that by 20% and things look rather grim.
Now, apparently the sector are ‘confident’ that a deal will be struck to allow continued passporting rights. I bloody well hope so but have to say that, looking at the shambles of a negotiation so far, I’m not as confident as they claim to be…
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Come on Bath, don’t be so doom and gloom, it will be easy to make this up after we are free from the EU shackles and we see the rich re-birth of our glorious manufacturing industry producing goods that will fly off the shelves in China and the US… even with 40% tariffs applied. Don’t you know how valued ‘Made in the UK’ is? Just ask the Saudis and other consumers of our ‘military tech’
and just think that 40% tariff will still be cheap in comparison as we become more competitive in production as supply and demand pushes up wages… er… um… something not quite right there but anyway the EU is undemocratic shit, just look at Greece… er will be fine…
Oh, so we’re back at worst case scenarios again. Every person that was going to be on the dole is now going to move to Frankfurt or Paris instead.
It is estimated that a hard Brexit would see1 the financial services sector in the UK shrink by about 20%. Given that the sector represents 14% of employment but closer to 20% of tax take, that’s a disproportionately large amount of tax that disappears. It also screws our balance of payments even more than it’s already screwed. According to the news this morning, it represents in excess of £58billion positive balance of payments. Shrink that by 20% and things look rather grim.
I understood that our bankers managed 58bn of other folks money through financial passporting. That’s not the same as having a 58bn positive balance of payments. It’s not our money.
Now, apparently the sector are ‘confident’ that a deal will be struck to allow continued passporting rights. I bloody well hope so but have to say that, looking at the shambles of a negotiation so far, I’m not as confident as they claim to be…
What prism are you looking at that through? If you’re talking the Beeb, or the front pages of the Guardian or Independent, in which every other story is essentially “Stop Brexit”, then I can’t take your concerns seriously, just as I can’t take their reporting seriously.
Congrats on the five upvotes. They are very easy to get around here with the right political viewpoint. I suspect you’d lose the farm if you’d made the same bets at the bookie though. They tend to look at likelihood of outcomes over identifying with their captors.
That several times you have mention the ease with which folk get up votes on this thread… why is that such an issue for you Pap? It’s pretty much expected that there is agreement and support for the views because that is what many on here feel. You are often more isolated in you POV and I admit that it can seem pretty shitty in that situation and it’s often unpleasant (no matter how much we protest that it does not bother us) when there is a collective assault on your POV. I have been there on this forum enough times to knows it’s never just ‘water off a ducks back’
So I understand - but imho you jump from one issue to the next often ignoring the difficult points and respond frequently with facts or opinion on another issue from what is a complex minefield. And that is the biggest fucking issue that won’t go away. The British public were completely ill-equipped to deal with this mass of issues, contradiction, propaganda to make a reasoned judgement on this and that is simply NOT democracy. They were told that we had enough of experts… A stupid gamble taken by a fucking cowardly PM who did not have the balls to stand up to his own party. The public was used to as a tool and can conveniently be blamed for when it goes tits up.
You have always tried to present your idealist and principled POV as to why you voted as you did. I respect that totally. However, you have also not really ever addressed the various elephants around the lack of real understanding of even the simplest of issues that drove many to vote as they did, how racists and the right were empowered, how reasoned debate was lost in a mare of lies and yet because the vote went as it it, you say that’s democracy, deal with it.
It not democracy Pap, that is the point.
The issues Bath raises about financial sector- surely the detailed totals of tax losses are not the point (or are back at the BUS again) it’s the fact we will lose jobs many of which will move abroad and the associated office staff and support will need to find alternatives. It’s a tiny part of a much bigger and more complex picture… and again that is the point… we can’t really get an accurate picture of that one tiny bit, let alone the macro scene.
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There are too many people still listening to those pesky ‘experts’ and their research-based projections that all indicate potential problems ahead.
Let’s not forget the rallying cry - Brexit is Brexit , that detail of planning alone should be enough to bury any doomy-gloomy Remoaner claims and reassure us that we are in good hands.
After all, Boris, Theresa, Michael and David only want what is best for the poorest in the UK…
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There are too many people that don’t bother to check where these experts get their funding.
Fear not though, RB.
I have every confidence that you’ll continue to get 10% of your votes from this thread.
Just a thought
Surely voting to remain because someone didn’t understand the issues and therefore decided that no change was the way to go is as bad as not understanding the issues and voting for Brexit
If you didn’t understand then surely you shouldn’t vote at all
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A Brexit breakfast.
Just what I needed.
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Fair point @cb-saint
I wish the whole vote thing never happened & the UK govt had the balls to drive reform from within.
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What’s the obsession with mentioning people getting upvotes? It’s your site and system and now you seem to be sat in the corner crying because all the other boys are getting upvotes except me. Waaaaaahhhh!
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Pap, do you really think I’m posting about this in order to get upvotes on what is (let’s be honest) a pretty inconsequential little internet forum? And if my comments do get votes, so what? I was going to ignore this comment but notice you have mentioned it several times, so obviously it’s an issue for you…
I’ll quite like you to answer this question - what would you have me do? I could just leave it and never post about it again. I could shove cotton wool in my ears whenever the issue comes up on the radio. I was listening to David Davis this morning - fuck me, what a complete buffoon he sounded like and this guy is leading the charge into the hazy, vague future of who knows what…?
I could just pretend I was super confident. I could wave the flags and glory at the grand future of a booming, sustainable and equitible economy. Do you want me to do that? I could just read the Dailymail and post links from there. Should I do that? Actually, I took a look at the Dailymail and there are few (if any) positive stories. All they seem to report is the negative stories and then you see the comments section and want to wash your eyes out with bleach. 
What you’re getting on here is a litany of worrisome stories because people are fucking worried. I’m worried about my job. I’m really worried about the future of the country for my kids. I’m worried about my community. I’m worried about the division in the country.
So what should I do? Pretend I’m not worried about these pretty important things? Come on Pap, what would you have me do?
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I would upvote that but it might send pap over the edge.
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Rather than an upvote, I’ll just give this a good, old-fashioned LOL
Oh shit, i upvoted it.
Sorry pap.
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