The JBoy vs Chertsey clash has divided the nation more than the EU referendum.
Wht the hell didnāt they just explain that they wanted an EEA arrangement in the 1st place? Most people wouldnāt have had an issue with that and we wouldnāt be in the clusterfuck of a mess that we are now.
I wasnāt the anti-Semite supporting the killing of 5 million Jews, that was you.
*double facepalm* if you didnāt get the point of the sarcasm.
Going back on what you said nowā¦dear me. At least stick with your opinions when you make the statements. Trying to dress it up as sarcasm is such a disingenuous thing to do.
No youāre right. Iām actually the biggest neo nazi in Britain. You got me.
Ah, itās a sequel to the last movie currently playing - just with a revamped cast.
Is this Brexit for the politics or the football?
Originally posted by @Sotonist
flush them all out of hiding so they can either be made an example of or set an example to.
Sotonist.
Iām one of them, or at least part one. Pakistani, not Muslim.
bletch really hates it when I have a go at posters, but seeing as youāve popped out of hiding, I reckon we should make some sort of example.
We donāt like racist cunts around here. Iām not saying you are one, but on the basis of this post, it might be a possibility. Youāre free to say what you want, of course - but so will I be.
Sima Kotecha from R4 Today programme tweets sheās been called a paki for the first time since the 1980ās. There are numerous other isolated incidents out there being reported too.
the first time sheās heard the word in her home town since the 80s. itās unclear whether itās the first time sheās heard it since then or the first time sheās heard it in basingstoke since then or how often she has been in basingstoke since the 80s.
This newspaper article suggests that she goes back quite regularly. Checked in 2 seconds under a Google search of Sima Kotecha visits Basingstoke.
āI come back all the time ā about four times a year ā as my mum and dad still live in Kempshott Rise. I get annoyed when people diss Basingstoke because it was where I was born
Can I ask why you immediately leapt to the conclusion you did?
Instead of casting doubt on her Basingstoke residence, why not actually find out for yourself.
http://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/news/5016515.Local_girl_bringing_you_the_latest_global_news/
itās a possibility she might be notorious for defending islam as the religion of peace.
Itās a possibility that weāve found our inaugural consideration for the Permacunt category, which gets more viable the more I catch up on.
Would you like to post whatever racist bile that you like, but in a category in which everyone knows youāre a Permacunt?
Or would you like to explain your comments in a way that could free you of such an honour?
What chinese whispers? It was taken from her twitter feed, so itās a primary account. Perhaps your ignorance is blinding you to the obvious?
It sounds like everyone needs to step away from the racist thing here. Remainers generalising about brexirters being racists and Brexiters assuming that Remainers think they are all racist. I am just as guilty.
So, we all accept that a proportion of the leave vote was made by those concerned with immigration
We know that not all of them concerned with immigration are racist, but some definitely are.
We are hearing that a minority of EDL types have taken it upon themselves to abuse minority groups on the grounds of race
We also know that these scumbags are not representative of all brexiters.
lets just leave the racist stuff here, by all means comment on the news but letās start to dial back the personal shite and sweeping generalisations
Originally posted by @Flahute
Originally posted by @Sotonist
Originally posted by @Flahute
Originally posted by @Sotonist
Originally posted by @Flahute
Originally posted by @Sotonist
Originally posted by @Flahute
You know that plan to have lots of chats with the EU before triggering Article 50. Ummm, no. Well thereās a fucking surprise.
who will blink first?
Not the EU. They need to play hardball just in case others decide to leave. We are going to realise quite quickly how fucked we are.
you may be right, but the EU itself is the one clamouring for a quick result.
The French and Germans have said no talks. The rest will simply fall in line.
no hurry then.
if they wonāt talk it will take longer to plan this.
Iām not sure who it suits TBF.
No one really,although until we decide what we want in terms of access to the single market and what our red lines are then it would be daft to trigger Article 50 and impose a deadline on ourselves.
The EU have nothing to gain by waiting so they are trying to force Article 50.
Chances are is that the diplomats will be sounding each other out to determine what is possible without the politicians having to lose public face.
The Civil Service will be hugely challenged when the negotiations of an exit from the EU commence and will struggle to achieve the best deal within the two year timeframe set by Article 50⦠All Cabinet offices will need to unstitch themselves and all will be required to provide input. Set against an ambivalent EU opposition team and the possible threat of a last minute ātake it or leave itā shit trade deal - or accept WTO general terms - then there are some very tough times ahead.
Concern also has to be raised over the ability to negotiate the magical trade deals promoted by Leave, with the rest of the world. The Civil Service will be fully commited with Brexit and itās aftermath for at least the next two to four years, leaving the rest of the world until later. They havenāt had to do this for the last 40 years, which also calls into question their skill set and abilities.
It doesnāt bode well for quick, advantageous trade deals to settle down a volatile economy.
2 years is not a realistic time span. I have seen mention of up to 10 years to get everything in place. That seems a long time but I would imagine it will be nearer 10 years before we are where we need to be.
Excellent post and I agree with so much of it CB, but youāre asking to not debate the racist element of the Brexit vote.
I disagree.
Letās just get it into the context you so excellently set in your post.
Sensor what we can write about the aftermath and ramifications of Brexit?
I really donāt think that is a good idea.
But, and I need to be careful how I write this, and you need to be careful how you read this, those who voted Brexit out of ostensibly well-thought-through principle did so alongside disgusting racists, small minded bigots, lazy thinkers and all other shades of citizens who donāt like the creeping departure from the dominance of white Anglo salon.
I recognise the separation youāve outlined above, and Iām not attributing the actions of a relatively small element to you, but I think itās essential to discuss it on here - because between you and me I donāt think itās that small an element and it can only my get bigger in the coming months.
Talking about and debating the fallout of the Brexit with regards to racist attacks etc, fair enough. I donāt think I worded my post well regarding that point. However when is comes to a racist element within the Leave vote, Iām not sure what else there is to debate. Everyone is in agreement that it has happened, most sane people deplore that ideology but I think that passions are still running too high to have a constructive discussion about it without it all descending into personal insults.
With regards to the increase in abuse, an element of our society have taken some sort of validation that it is ok to do this. I hope the powers that be stamp on it ruthlessly, maybe handing out punishments that are at the higher end of the scale to deter, as they did with the riots. This needs addressing before it, as you say, starts to grow.
I think the actual racist element is very small - but that there are a significant number who voted almost exclusively with respect the immigration question. As mentioned - yet oft overlooked- a rational debate around the facts and challenges posed would be welcomed- but that is not what we saw. Many of those have voted that way because of being fed misinformation and that is where the problem is IMHO.
This was not just a politician in s pre-election promise giving us a bum steer, this was years of Farage and worse spreading ignorance⦠And it swung it in the Brexit favour.
just so everyone knows the context of the guy saying āpakiā to sima Kotecha, and without condoning it, iāve just heard her piece on R4. she was interviewing a number of people about their views on immigration and the word was used descriptively as the man calmly gave his solicited opinion on immigration. there wasnāt any form of attack involved.
this was not a drive by harassment case.
the next interviewee stated that itās not unusual for people to use that word freely in basingstoke.
edit: clarification, he did not call her a āpakiā, he described his attitude to āpakisā among others
I donāt want to pour fuel on the fire weāre looking to quell here, buy Gayās right.
The actual racist element of the leave vote might be small, but the number who voted for the same outcome for immigrants, BY MY ESTIMATION, is a lot larger.
CB, can I also suggest that some of the affront that Brexit voters are displaying, is because you realise that the same fundamental issue is at the heart of racist views and sensible, thought through policy on immigration, and you donāt like it.
I should say that I have no doubt that your motives as set out here are pure and I respect that completely.
Well, her twitter feed is quite clear as to what it says. Iām sure you will look at it. There is further clarification- here