:brexit: Brexit - Deal or no deal

Answering your points.

  • Trade is not frictionless When was it ever? Yes, exporters will need to fill out more forms, but they’re exporters. They should be used to this and if not, they should be prepared for this and if not, they’re dead.
  • Not being able to circulate our labour. Just not true. Talented Brits will continue to be able to live and work elsewhere. It was never an issue for the majority.
  • Our trade with all non EU countries also happens on worse terms than we now enjoy Want to put some meat on those bones? The only countries we’ll have worse terms with are EU member states, and they’re not much worse terms.

I think your arguments are the problem with the Remain argument distilled. In the abstract, the Remain side has consistently been unable to make a case for the Europan Union which is tangible to the average voter.

From business perspective the best aspect of this deal is that it is done. We have certainty.

So give me the rule book, I will determine what has changed adjust the business model accordingly and crack on

As for forecasts and predictions of doom etc, as anyone who has written a budget and cash flow will know, the minute after you have written it, it is wrong

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So the deal will allow UK to diverge from EU on animal welfare, chemicals and data protection, with left wing critics also suggesting it fails to protect workers rights… whilst Ministers proclaim that it will enable a new era of ‘risk takers and entrepreneurs’

So a deal that is Tory policy then…

Those poor animals.

Haha you’ll need to do better than that… you know full well that these clauses are designed to open up our Food chain market to US importers where the welfare standards during production are significantly lower… now you being so working class and all and being happy with chlorinated chicken and turkey Twizzlers wont care, but many rightly do.

You’ll have to do better than involuntary cackling and changing the subject.

Especially now your beloved dystopia is dead.

Regale us with more stories of how bad everything is going to be, for no other reason in that provide an extremely low bar to clear.

The country will not be awash with chlorinated chicken and turkey twizzlers. In the same may there wasn’t a catastrophic recession and housing market crash after the Brexit vote. As the world hasn’t ended due to covid

I reckon we will maintain and probably improve our standards - if the US don’t like that it make it a condition of a trade deal, then we still have the option not to sign one - it’s not like we will miss it

Are you not being a little premature with your predictions that all will be wonderful in your new Utopia? As you have previously suggested, we are not officially in the Post Brexit era just yet…

I am glad you are happy for the animals mind

Again maybe you are being a little premature… do you really think Boris wont want a new deal with the US ? Do you think he won’t happily Concede on production standards (that includes welfare and hygiene standards Pap) if push came to shove?

Plenty more to come in this soap opera and I don’t believe it will be without misery for many, especially the most vulnerable…

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Keeping chlorinated chicken out is the least of your worries.

You should be fighting the curse of Deep Fried Turkey

I’ve never predicted a utopia, thanks.

I do think we’ve got an extremely favourable outcome in the trade deal. It was a Christmas bonus I was not expecting.

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This is a good thing - Google deep fried turkey disasters

It keeps the A&Es on thanksgiving busy and culls a few idiots

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So now the deed is done the promised price rises are going to be modest or non existent - well who would have thought it

This claim and the others related to it have always been bollocks. If anything, I think food prices will come down. With the exception of sugar, they all went up in the years after we joined.

It should really be self-evident. At the very least it is easy to research. The cost of EU food has been one of the highest in the world for decades. If we can buy from cheaper suppliers, it stands to reason that food is going to be less costly.

So I’ve been watching a few bits on YouTube. The Duran, a fairly dry, right leaning channel, has some interesting news on how we got here.

Apparently, the Germans were always in favour of precisely the sort of deal we wound up being offered. Macron, who is on record as wanting Britain out with no deal, was the blocker.

Got slapped down by Merkel. A lot of EU heads of state are pissed off with him. Perhaps more importantly, so are his own people. France has just been slapped by the Germans in public.

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So. Rory Bremner stopped us leaving the EU in 1993…

Yep makes sense

BBC News - Impressionist Rory Bremner ‘saved Sir John Major’s bacon’ amid MPs revolt

The essential question of the thread has been answered.

Deal

Time to close the thread?

Perhaps it could be re-named, after all there is still a lot of mileage left in the subject itself. Yes the deal is done and there’s no going back on that, but signing the deal is just the beginning of the Brexit process. A discussion on how it all starts to pan out once the small print has been understood and the reality of what it will mean to peoples everyday life becomes apparent is surely valid.