I did. They have. They’re still not enough. They’ll get there.
Problem is they are already about 7x what you can expect to earn in Romania and farmers are operating on the margins they’ve grown accustomed to.
I didn’t know the wages had gone up. Do you know what the going rate is now? What do you think will be the wage level where the British worker will take up the offer of employment?
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So in Papspostbrexitutopia world,
- what is a fair wage for this work?
- What is the wage that will get brits off their arses to do it?
(hint they may not be the same) - What impact will this have on the consumer price of these goods?
- Is that price sustainable/affordable for most consumers?
- Or should the cost be born by the farmers? and further shrink already stretched margins?
See, the main problem here is that many people will sit there and say that Supply and Demand will solve these issues and the demand will put the wages up.
That is fine, in a closed market with no external pressures.
What it will actually do is push Supermarkets etc to buy from abroad, or conversely, give this awful fucking Government the excuse to lower Universal Credit to a point where British people are forced to do the work.
The problem with most economic theories, and applying them to everyday situations, is that most of them only ring true in a vacuum.
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I’m not bothering to answer all your questions, but I will say this. It is a fucking scandal that in a time where multi-nationals are sitting on trillions purloined through legal tax loopholes, someone can go out to work in this country for forty hours a week and still not have enough money to live on.
It is a scandal that Working Tax Credits exist. They are a subsidy to these corporations to pay shit wages.
If you want to play Captain Contrarian, go ahead, but you’ll be prioritising the moneyed elites and big business ahead of the working poor, just like you did in 2016.
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There’s nowt wrong with buying things from abroad, unless you’re a big fan of British coffee.
This is why I and others have a problem with you on these issues. There was a genuine question posed around the need to bring in workers from abroad to do work that traditionally the British have not been wiling to do… questions /PV are raised with respect to why this situation occurs and the problems associated with simply offering more ‘wage’ to get this done… Lets say we offered £20 an hour for this work and this encouraged the locals to take it… how does this cost manifest itself across the supply chain? What are teh implications when it costs £8 for a punt of strawbs? answer… farmer goes out of business because no one is buying… but you take this as an open invitation to get on the soap box, clutching a copy of Socialist Worker and give a sneering lecture on your entrenched politic. NO one asked for that and no one wanted it… just your POV on teh questions asked would have been nice…
Not sure why you have to start your most with the equivalent of “me and my mates think…”
Are you not sure of your points, man?
I’ve never needed nor desired to qualify my opinions with those of an imagined mob. Why do you?
No it wasn’t. It was a wind-up. @Fatso and I pull this shit on each other all the time. We all do.
I know you’re living in a shed as your wife mandated. Just be pleased you’ve now got the choice of two.
What is a fair wage for that work?
One you can a single person can live on comfortably and plan for the future, which comes without government top ups.
Anything less makes a lie of the maxim “work pays”.
Leave me out of this. I’m just here to watch.
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But what is that level? How is that defined, what does it include? surely it depends on so many of the society’s attributes, eg do we have a well regulated private renting system to complement social housing of a high standard? Do we have affordable and efficient transport network to allow folks to get to work economically? you know very well that this is all a complicated web on integrate economic systems… and that simply paying £20 an hour to fruit pickers without considering how this manifests itself within the broader supply chain is naive… Was you want is a complete overhaul of the current global economic system… which is all very laudable, but is never gong to happen because the cunts with the money are the same cunts with the power so they won’t let it.
The pragmatic view is to ensure the ‘scraps’ that are available for the rest of us are as big as possible and more fairly distributed.
Hmmm
I’ve not suggested anything of the sort, which I know is a massive source of frustration for you.
I’ve suggested we align around a principle.
I’ve no idea why you’re asking me enumerate every aspect of that would work.
Stick to your garden, Two Sheds. You’re crap at asking the right questions, even worse at trying to look clever.
This article confirms that if you’ve been furloughed you can do work and top up your wages.
It also says we need a land army, like in the war. We’re in it together. We didn’t beat Hitler just to let some other Johnny Foreigner come and harvest our crops.
Farmers’ union ‘optimistic’ UK workers will rescue the harvest
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Not enough have signed on, a lot but not enough.
(Express version posted same in fail didn’t want @pap to go off on one again…
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/1269187/coronavirus-crisis-UK-growers-volunteers-land-army
Nah it’s easier actually being clever than trying to look like it…
Pipe down, Joffrey.
If you keep on saying that fatso, you will die with your virginity intact. 