Nope, not at allâŚI donât recall complaints at the time about the showâŚ
Echoes what I said above.
Bad show, bad show
What you going to do?
What you going to do when they come for you?
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Can you imagine the reaction to Eddie Murphyâs Raw being released now?
Yes but being cruel to everyone is not really an excuse is it⌠teh problem with these shows as with âCome fly with meâ Is that although teh original premise was actually a parody of the âAirlineâ /reality TV, by dressing up as a big black woman and other stereotypes, you make it acceptable to those who simply dont differentiate between the pastiche and laughing at the minority
On an individual level, I dont belief many are offended by âPreciousâ in fact two (black) guys in my old office thought it hilarious as they knew folks exactly like that⌠the fact the character was black was irrelevant, it was just a funny, however both also said teh problem was that for tho casual racists, it merely ingrains teh stereotypes and makes it acceptable to laugh at themâŚ
Jolly good. Columbus was an uber-cunt.
Of course but does this movement only happen in Western privileged nations or poorer ones? I say this as I donât know but are you aware of the Genghis Khan monument in Mongolia?
Should the coliseum be torn down in Rome?
Consultation has to happen now and action has to be guaranteed if deemed but where does this end as I say this now it wonât end where weâre all closer together going this way about it.
Is there an expiry date on unjustified actions?
And its good to see LCC are taking my advice about our Cities road names of controversy.
There is a difference between a slave trader statue which was erected to celebrate the achievements of some one whose wealth and status was created by the sickening slave trade⌠and something like the coliseum in Rome⌠that was a building in which Christians were murdered etc, but the building itself was not erected later to celebrate the fact. Everyone knows what went on there and the history is explained⌠I doubt anyone would think it was celebrating what went on there.
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I get that but where do you draw the line?
Christians were murdered for entertainment, is that acceptable?
The Genghis Khan monument?
Robbie Burns?
The more you know the more you actually know this could become an absolute farce in people trying to weave their through trying to excuse things.
de Souza family in Benin?
This is going to be huge, uncomfortable conversations and education and acknowledgement? Definitely but I fear it will divide more than unite but if that the price to be paid then I suppose we have to go down that route.
The coliseum was created no doubt on the backs of slavery.
Moors buildings in Spain?
Tear down Nelsons column?
English castles in Wales?
I do feel uneasy about statues being taken down because who knows where it will end. Of course statues celebrating slavers shouldnât have been erected in the first place, it is making a statement saying, âthis is a great manâ, which Colston clearly wasnât. The plaque below the statue described him as a good and virtuous man which is disgusting, i can fully understand people of colour in Bristol being extremely pissed off having to walk past this while going about their daily lives. But surely a better solution would be to leave the statues where they are and have a plaque at each one, with a biography of each subject spelling out in graphic detail how they made their money, what they did, what their views were regarding their fellow humans. Then it would no longer be a celebration of âgreat menâ but a shaming of them. Instead of locking them away in some museum surely it would be more beneficial to use the statues to educate people.
More than a few right wingers staunchly defending Colston and going into apoplexy about âmindless vandalismâ and the like. Does anyone know how many of them were up in arms about the grave of Karl Marx being vandalized recently for about the third time, the headstone being sprayed with far right graffiti? Would that be zero? Hypocrites.
What doesnât help in this whole debate is having a Prime Minister at this time who is openly racist, all documented, which results in him having no moral authority at all in these matters. As a racist he is not in the same league as his hero Churchill of course, now he had some particularly vile racist views. His statue will be a target now inevitably which is a shame. Far better to have the plaque underneath it with some of his writings for all to read, educate themselves. There would be no shortage of material.
"I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilized tribesâ as it âwould spread a lively terrorâ. He bragged of âkilling savagesâ
As for stealing their lands he was all for it.
âI do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a great wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their placeâ.
Far better to put these writings on a plaque underneath his statue and let people read them and educate themselves.
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The/these statue/s should have gone a long time ago, they should have gone on consultation with the people they offended, street names should have the origins of their names at eye view so everyone can be educated in how the name came to be.
Some of Gandhiâs views were absolutely shocking towards his fellow Indians and towards Africans, he also wasnât anti Empire.
Its the mob rule that concerns me, policing by consent, Iâve been unfortunate enough today to have seen some horrible pictures and scenes from the US, this has gone on from a peaceful protest to innocents being killed.
How do we stop this?
Seems like people were trying to put something on the Colston statue (like it or not he left a fuck load of money to Bristol which has done a lot of good) but nobody could agree on the wordingâŚ
In 2018, with involvement of the community, text for a new official plaque was agreed for the statue to inform the public about more of Colstonâs history.[33] Conservative councillor Richard Eddy and the Society of Merchant Venturers (an organisation Colston belonged to) objected to the wording, and were successful in â among other things â removing mention of Colstonâs role as a Tory MP and the selective nature of his philanthropy, and disputed the exact number and ages of the thousands of children he trafficked.[33] The new wording was vetoed by the Mayor of Bristol, Marvin Rees, who saw the Society having too much say in the process, instructing more parts of the community to be involved in producing the plaque.[33]
In the same Wikipedia article it would also appear that Colstonâs name has slowly been removed from schools and buildings since 2016âŚ
HBO have now removed Gone With the Wind, on the grounds that it portrays black slaves apparently content with their positions, and remaining loyal to their âownersâ after abolition. Iâve no idea if this is justified, never having had the inclination to sit through 4 hours of Clark Gable.
He wanted the fact that Colston was a Tory removed from the new wordingâŚ
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Django Unchained for Samuel L Jacksonâs role?
Apparently they will reinstate it with an advisory warning at the beginning, like they do for sex/violence/swearing. It has already been done with Tom and Jerry cartoons. I for one have always questioned period fiction ever since Braveheart, if something bothers me Iâll use that as an opportunity to try and get the truth behind the fictional portrayal. Iâm currently working my way through Boardwalk Empire and once Iâve finished it (if it doesnât get pulled from Sky) Iâd be interested to read around what was actually going on in the USA in the 20âs, and if it doesnât quite match up then so be it, otherwise entertainment will have very little room for artistic license.
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We saw Green Book when it came out. Decent film tbh, but it somehow grated on me when the white characters constantly used the rather incongruous term âeggplantâ to deride the black ones. The film would have felt far more realistic and hard-hitting if they hadnât sanitised it in that way.