Originally posted by @saintbletch
BTW, before I proceed, I was surprised that some of the left-of-centre posters on here (including the Big boss) upvoted your post. I guess it was for the thrust of your opinion or the way you articulated it, and not for your denouncement of socialist principle.
He’s got form for getting in bed with the wrong people if it’s felt they strengthen his post Brexit argument.
Well if you really were able to pass a notoriously challenging interview (PwC grad scheme yeah?) on a bench in Green Park with very little preparation then I think you’re simply far more intelligent that average, and shouldn’t expect anyone else to be at your level.
My life aspirations, not expectations, are to earn enough money in my just to rent somewhere and survive independently. Anything else is a bonus.
The arrogance of this post is fucking astounding.
Who are you to determine who the wrong people are?
Not Grad scheme no, but a Senior Analyst position, so not that simple. But who said I did very little prep? I did a lot of prep in the evenings, just not whilst I was at work.
You earn enough money to rent somewhere, but until you get promotions or go change job you’ll have to do a houseshare - as anyone should expect.
People who make it difficult to dismiss the pro-Leave side of things as being entirely based on racism.
I have always wanted to scrap our tax system, who does it work for? Big business to do what make money from the worker?
Higher taxes are a must for better education and the NHS. a whole new approach to what system this really is (free market capitalism) and does it work for society or the individual.
£21k is £1400 p/m.
Rent & bills is basically £700 these days.
A zone 1-3 travelcard is £146
Food - what? £50 per week?
That leaves £354 per month for everything else. Its going to be tricky but I’m hoping to move out sometime in the New Year.
Are you fucking kidding me? I earn 6 times what you do and I only give myself £450 a month for disposable income.
This has to be a fucking joke.
Where else do you spend that money?
Savings? Family? Car? Phone? Clothes? Mortgage? Tickets to watch Saints?
All stuff that I haven’t factored in and wouldn’t be able to afford.
‘disposable income’
Its quite amusing watching someone who says they are netting £8kpm lecture someone else on how fortunate they are
Originally posted by @MrTrampoline
“You need to grow up a bit if you want to be successful… and stop sounding like an angry teenager, because it makes you miss the point entirely… (if that sounds partronizing, its meant to)”
I daresay.
Easy to rude on the internet innit? Does it make you feel like a big man?
_ Its not rude and no I dont feel like a big man, but IMHO you are being rather naive if you believe your lot will now improve as aresult of brexit… _
“Its has not been debunked. You have now introduced ‘low killed’ into teh equation - when it shoudl have bene clear all along that the premise isall about companies who need skilled people who expand - they can train immigrants for sure and do so, but Skilled is mentionedin all my posts,which you ahve chosen to ignore - and yes, immigration of cheap labour that is used to expand industry leads to increased wages… go read up on it.”
Yes it has. Once again you’re reverting to vagueries and hypotheticals to try and move the conversation away from real-world examples. The job where I was earning £17k was full of graduates from Russell Group universities. There were Nigerians, Colombians, Brazilians, Mexicans, a tonne of Greeks and Italians and a few French with a tonne of degrees. Supply and demand applies to everyone regardless of skill level. If supply outstrips the demand of the labour market then the employer does not have to increase wages to attract what he needs.
Well we will need to agree to disagree on that one - not sure how Brexit will prevent NIgerians, Coombians and other Soutrh Americans , a ‘tonne of Greeks’ from ruinning your chances… (and I find your turn of phrase a little worrying)
“My ‘Rhetoric’ with respect to your chosen degree, I have never said its ‘your fault’ and NO my suggestion that the degree choice would not lead to a meteoric career path is not being critical of your choice, but is used to question why you considered it should grant you more than 21K at aged 26… Its an important and subtle difference”
Seriously? You don’t think that I’m doing badly or ought to aspire to more?
_ Where have I said you should not aspire to more? I am merely suggesting that ‘expecting’ it at 26 as if its a right is rather naive… and somewhat arrogant. Aspiration is good. However its is not served by whinging about lack of progress or blaming lack of opportunity on competition… _
“Get over yourself - you stated that you were at a disadvantage to foreigners because tehy could come here as they spoke the language, whereas you did not speka a second language so could ont go work abroad - My point was a simple one, its not the fault of the foreigners that you are at a disadvantage… I humbly suggest its not. As you have stated previously that yo voted brexit for selfish reasons and oneof these wa sthe hop that les competition would drive up wages, the inference is that you would prefer the law to prevent competition form those that have advanatges over you? NO? so there is nothing wrong or inaccurate with my statement”
I’d much rather be in a situation where I didn’t have to, but in a scenario where competition is so fierce I need to take every advantage I can, then its blatantly obvious that my best option, given the choice of ‘Remain’ or ‘Leave’ was the latter.
And I am merely suggesting that brexit will offer you no additional advantage… the competition will remain as fierce and potentially increase in the evironment in which you aspire
“Yes you should be grateful for opprtunities afforded to you. Just because your situation and choices means they do not appeal to you, you dismiss them as of any value, when for others (to be potentially more restricted due to brexit) they represent a real chnace to expand tehir horizon and gain unique experiences that make them more attractive to employers…”
Again. We’re back to the vagueries and hand-waving. “Oh…well…some people can work abroad and that might benefit their employment chances to some employers and…something…something”.
Really? Is that what you think my point was about - you have yourself stated you need to look at every little advantage, yet in the same breath you chose to close the door on several obvious ones that are often only avaialable to younger people with less ties, no mortggae and kids etc… you only want the advantages that ‘fit’ with your chosen lifestyle…and I am merely suggesting this in an attitude that will restrict your opportunities… it is your choice, but you can’t then complain if others from within the EU and UK gain a competitive advantage by taking these opportunities,
I can only speak for myself. I personally see no advantage or reason that the EU benefits me personally. So surprisingly enough, I voted against it. Simple.
I am merely stating that in doing so you have narrowed the opportunities for yourself…
“The competition point which you have missed agin is that this will NOT change as a result of Brexit - which you seem to suggest was one of the reasons for your choice.”
Sure, I said from the word go that it might not work out. The question is ‘what have I got to lose’?
_Loads - you seem to suggest that you are trying to make it easier for yourself in teh short term, as opposed to improving your chances long term… _
“‘That final sentence doesn’t half reveal the extent to which you feel career progression is a complete inevitabilty and something to be taken for granted. Yet on the other side of the coin, you seem to be scolding me for even aspiring to something moderately better than what I have now’’ - this is a clasiic - My point made it very clear withoin the context of the whole post that career progression is anything but - its built on hard fucking graft and a willingness to compromise on some selfish dream… I have never ‘scolded you for aspiration’ I have 'scolded you for expecting it to come easy as if its a devine right. My example wa sto show you its not some new phenomenon, its been like taht for years and EU has fuck all to do with it. Serendipity will play a much bigger role in any career success you have than being within the EU or not… as will your application and graft. You naively think that your chances will increase with UK outside of the EU? After 20 years working for international companies, I would disagree.”
I am grafting thank you sir - but given that jobs nowadays require a phone interview, assessment centre and partner interview, I think most of my success will depend on how I can take days off and pull sickies without arousing suspicion from my current employer - given that almost every job application will require 3 days of absence just to attempt to get it.
_ Its always been like that for the type of jobs you are aspiring toat PWC etc… nothing new here _
the vite the leave only proved one thing, that you tell some people that immigration is the cause of all their problems aenogh times, they will believe it…sad but true.
Keep telling yourself that.
_ I will because its true - the brexit vote was swung by immigration - and most of those who thought EU exit would ‘solve’ this ‘problem’ - just go and ask around in the North of the UK for the reason for Brexit voting… _
I still haven’t heard one way in which EU membership benefits me. I’m happy with the gamble.
_ ** 'Happy with the gamble… yep, I am sure you are, but that is also a rather naive short termist perspective - Its not some decision that can be reversed if it ‘does not work out’ - and that naive impatience will most likely cost you long term… sadly, my own kids will have to live with the consequences of these selfish notions… ** _
Originally posted by @MrTrampoline
Where else do you spend that money?
Savings? Family? Car? Phone? Clothes? Mortgage? Tickets to watch Saints?
All stuff that I haven’t factored in and wouldn’t be able to afford.
‘disposable income’
Phone, clothes and Saints come out of that money, yes. The rest is irrelevant to you as I assume you don’t have kids, a mortgage is comparable to the rent, and you don’t need a car as you’re in London.
Unfortunately you have made yourself look like a fool if you’re complaining about ‘Struggling’ on £354 a month after rent, bills and food.
Unbelievable.
"A ‘tonne of Greeks’ from ruinning your chances… (and I find your turn of phrase a little worrying)"
And there you go again. Trying to smear & imply racism without having the stones to actually come out and make a full-blown accusation.
Utterly cowardly. You should be ashamed.
It’s irrelevant as to how much I earn in context of this argument. All I was trying to show was that he seems to think he’s struggling. He’s not struggling, not even close.
There’s too much quoting going on here. Cut the bit you want to quote, it makes it easier to read. And that’s actually an EU directive, not my idea, so don’t shoot the messenger. Unless he’s foreign. Which I’m not.
or am I?
How can he move out? Buy a car? Go on holiday?
That’s surviving not living, surely we are better than that after all these years of advocating capitalism?
So what then is the maximum one can earn before they cross the line from struggling to non-struggling Chertsey?
£18k? £17k? (In London of course)
Something doesn’t add up here cherts, either you drive a ferrari or your missus is waste deep in Louboutins. There is a massive black hole in what you earn and spend.
When you can’t pay for food or rent I’d say. That’s struggling.