Ha ha Jesus, that well and truly went tits up.
Anyone have any money on a Trump victory? I think he was 13/2 a few weeks ago, which would have been worth at least putting on a score.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY-CiPVo_NQ
Michael Moore (someone Iâve got fairly mixed opinions about) nails it perfectly
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God, this is painful.
Rhetoric from Trump is to downplay NATO and, possibly, abandon members who fail to contribute enough. The possible outcome of this is that NATO starts to break up. Youâve said, yourself, that Trump is an isolationist and, added to this, his admiration for bear-wrestling Russion despots, this may well embolden Putin.
Result? Well, Putin is eyeing up spreading Russiaâs sphere of influence and âmaking Russia great againâ. If the US is going to take a back seat and increasingly look inward, perhaps they wonât act if he decides to âdo a Ukraine/Georgiaâ on the Baltics. So who is going to stand up to Putin, should he do that? Britain? France? Germany?
So youâre saying Trump would leave NATO? How could he do that? You think it wouldnât have to go through the Senate? Nations donât pay enough and want it on the cheap, Estonia actually pay their fair share, few of the others do.
Trump would probably want to leave NATO but he couldnât in short and he is correct Nations if theyâre serious about should pay their share.
What do you want for US foreign policy? Ever criticised for exerting freedom? Iâd look after my own as you get no bastard thanks for it and they are shite at it anyway.
Fuck you.
Fuck you experts. You Chattering Classes. You fucking Tweeters.
You promised the World would end if Trump won.
Bollocks you lying heaps of shit. Fuck the lot of you.
Weâre all still here. Which means Iâve got to go to another mingling Thursday Sales Meeting tomorrow.
You fucking promised you bastards.
Oh and whatâs worse? At this rate weâll all have to watch fucking England play football again
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Trump was asked this very question in an interview with the New York Times:
If Russia came over the border into Estonia or Latvia, Lithuania, places that Americans donât think about all that often, would you come to their immediate military aid?
He was pretty fucking equivocal about it. Basically, he intimated that Latvia and Lithuania and any others who didnât reach the 2% of GDP on military spending could go fuck themselves. If thatâs the case, I can see NATO unravelling pretty quickly and then Putin would quite possibly march in with impunity, while we all stand back and âlook after ourselvesâ.
Iâm not saying it will happen, but look at Ukraine and Georgia before them. Putin has form and Trump really admires Putin. But then, maybe that is fine. Maybe we shouldnât bother with the Baltic States. That is an option, isnât it?
Links:
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Originally posted by @Bathsaint
Trump was asked this very question in an interview with the New York Times:
If Russia came over the border into Estonia or Latvia, Lithuania, places that Americans donât think about all that often, would you come to their immediate military aid?
He was pretty fucking equivocal about it. Basically, he intimated that Latvia and Lithuania and any others who didnât reach the 2% of GDP on military spending could go fuck themselves. If thatâs the case, I can see NATO unravelling pretty quickly and then Putin would quite possibly march in with impunity, while we all stand back and âlook after ourselvesâ.
Iâm not saying it will happen, but look at Ukraine and Georgia before them. Putin has form and Trump really admires Putin. But then, maybe that is fine. Maybe we shouldnât bother with the Baltic States. That is an option, isnât it?
Links:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/22/us/politics/donald-trump-foreign-policy-interview.html?_r=0
http://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/07/trump-nato/492341/
The question is whether or not the likes of Latvia or Lithuania will concede to this, scowl, fold their arms, but ultimately pony up and pay the 2%.
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Yeah and increase their spending to 2% by buying EU / UK made weapons not American
From a comment in Gulf News down here todayâŚ
Trumpâs first day at the Oval Office after being elected President.
First briefing by the CIA, Pentagon, FBI: Trump: We must destroy ISIS immediately. No delays. CIA: We cannot do that, sir. We created them along with Turkey, Israel, Qatar and others. Trump: The Democrats created them. CIA: We created ISIS, sir. You need them or else you would lose funding from the natural gas lobby. Trump: Stop funding Pakistan. Let India deal with them. CIA: We can't do that. Trump: Why is that? CIA: India will cut Balochistan out of Pak. Trump: I don't care. CIA: India will have peace in Kashmir. They will stop buying our weapons. They will become a superpower. We have to fund Pakistan to keep India busy in Kashmir. Trump: But you have to destroy the Taliban. CIA: Sir, we can't do that. We created the Taliban to keep Russia in check during the 80s. Now they are keeping Pakistan busy and away from their nukes. Trump: We have to destroy terror sponsoring regimes in the Middle East. Let us start with the Saudis. Pentagon: Sir, we can't do that. We created those regimes because we wanted their oil. We can't have democracy there, otherwise their people will get that oil - and we cannot let their people own it. Trump: Then, let us invade Iran. Pentagon: We cannot do that either, sir. Trump: Why not? CIA: We are talking to them, sir. Trump: What? Why? CIA: We want our Stealth Drones back. If we attack them, Russia will obliterate us as they did to our buddy ISIS in Syria. Besides we need Iran to keep Israel in check. Trump: Then let us invade Iraq again. CIA: Sir, our friends (ISIS) are already occupying 1/3rd of Iraq. Trump: Why not the whole of Iraq? CIA: We need the Shi'ite govt of Iraq to keep ISIS in check. Trump: I am banning Muslims from entering US. FBI: We can't do that. Trump: Why not? FBI: Then our own population will become fearless. Trump: I am deporting all illegal immigrants to south of the border. Border patrol: You can't do that, sir. Trump: Why not? Border patrol: If they're gone, who will build the wall? Trump: I am banning H1B visas. USCIS: You cannot do that. Trump: Why? Chief of Staff: If you do so, we'll have to outsource White House operations to Bangalore. Which is in India. Trump (sweating profusely by now): What the hell should I do as President??? CIA: Enjoy the White House, sir! We will take care of the rest!
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Originally posted by @Bathsaint
Trump was asked this very question in an interview with the New York Times:
If Russia came over the border into Estonia or Latvia, Lithuania, places that Americans donât think about all that often, would you come to their immediate military aid?
He was pretty fucking equivocal about it. Basically, he intimated that Latvia and Lithuania and any others who didnât reach the 2% of GDP on military spending could go fuck themselves. If thatâs the case, I can see NATO unravelling pretty quickly and then Putin would quite possibly march in with impunity, while we all stand back and âlook after ourselvesâ.
Iâm not saying it will happen, but look at Ukraine and Georgia before them. Putin has form and Trump really admires Putin. But then, maybe that is fine. Maybe we shouldnât bother with the Baltic States. That is an option, isnât it?
Links:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/22/us/politics/donald-trump-foreign-policy-interview.html?_r=0
http://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/07/trump-nato/492341/
There are some, including myself, that think it is probably unwise for the US to have its troops on Latvian or Lithuanian soil in the first place. Iâve never bought the Russian aggressive bear bollocks. I certainly wouldnât buy it if I was sat in Moscow looking at all these US troop deployments in places that used be seen as buffer countries.
Besides, Clintonâs pal Nuland was all over the Ukraine debacle. Itâs well worth remembering what kicked all that off. A coup, led by neo-Nazis, supported by the US because the then President was leaning toward Moscow.
The CIA and Military certainly have a huge amount of control in the states.
You have touched on an interesting point, Bazzington.
One of the central tenets of the US system was checks and balances. One of the consequences of 9/11 was Homeland Security, providing a command umbrella over the entire US state apparatus.
When you look at the amount of military hardware the US feels comfy putting on the streets, that is a rather worrying combination, even with cuddly Obama in charge.
Lordy.
Holy fcking christ. Anyone else hear the riff from Deliverance in their head when watching that.
Iâm sure our future Chinese overlords are not too unhappy at the moment
Ni Hao
Iâm presuming thatâs a parody.
Tell me itâs a parodyâŚ
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News just in.
Syria has confirmed it is now taking American Refugees
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I probably shouldnât have but I was laughingâŚ
He reminds me of someone I know in Southampton. I couldnât resist a chuckle toward the end as he was hooning around his land singing America 