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The only chance Trump has now is to motivate his hardcore voters to register and vote. His own party has withdrawn support, so he can only appeal to the alt-right, conspiracy nutters really. The rhetoric against Hillary will ramp up even more

From a speech in Florida today

Trump says nation will not survive if he loses

"This is a struggle for the survival of our nation, believe me, and this will be our last chance to save it.

Trump says the election will reveal whether the country is a democracy or whether the levers of power ā€œare in fact controlled by a small band of global interests rigging the system. This is reality, you know it, I know itā€¦ā€

Trump sounds distant in this speech. He’s talking about the invisible global network of elites and what they will do if you take them on.

They will attack you, they will slander you, they will seek to destroy… everything about you including your reputation. They will lie, lie, lie… the Clintons are criminals, remember that. They’re criminals."

Trump’s campaign really can’t get any more farcical. Women accuse him of sexual assault and his response is basically just to say he’d only grope a solid 8 or above and she’s barely a 6.

On a lighter note, who’s excited for the new documentary series on Netflix? Think it’s called Black Mirror…

I’m looking forward to Black Mirror season 2,

Not endorsing the title or Trump.

today’s speech looked at by Todd Zwillich.

HRC ā€œmeets in secret w intl banks to plot the destruction of US sovereignty in order to enrich these global financial powersā€

For all the LOLs about ā€œfull Bannonā€, that is language straight out of the classically antisemitic ā€œProtocols of the Elders of Zionā€

Digest that along w Trump’s warning that the election could be stolen by people ā€œin certain areas…you know what I’m talking aboutā€

It’s tempting to chalk this up to ego defense, or market segmentation for a fired up post-election TV audience

Yet Trump is priming his supporters to believe the election was stolen from them by a cabal of Jews, blacks, bankers and media

The inevitable conclusion is that normal democratic institutions no longer serve them.

This stuff is way more dangerous in defeat than it is in victory.

If youre defeated by an all-powerful conspiracy, u have nothing left lose in the democratic system. Conflict is your only rational option

Things have taken a much more serious and dark turn from 18 hrs ago when Trump was turning Bill Clinton into Bill Cosby

new to this thread but I am guessing no Trupm fans here. Pap?

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I think one or two might have expressed some like for him at some points. I honestly don’t know which of Trump and Clinton is worse. For all the shite about her being the potential first female President (and how she plays on that) she’s no friend to women, particularly if those women have been victims of her husband.

The reactions to that speech, especially Todd Zwillich’s series of tweets, is the sort of thing that’ll play right in his hands.

Perhaps I’m some kind of eidetic memory supercomputer that can do everything but remember names well. It’s very possible I am not. Even so, the memory banks are churning out numerous examples of why his points are going to hit home, and who they’re going to hit home with.

Five million US houses were foreclosed. We can get into the ins and outs of whether those people are responsible borrowers, but never without considering the question as to whether the banks were responsible lenders. We know they weren’t. Trump is speaking to the five million, and anyone that has any sympathy or responsibility for them. He could also attract some sympathy, if not votes, from the Sanders supporters that saw their candidate stitched up by the Democratic National Convention, confirmed by Wikileaks.

For me, where Zwillich loses the plot is with the references to Jews, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and insisting that conflict is the only outcome when people feel that they’ve been conspired against. It’s not an ā€œinevitable conclusionā€. Both the 2000 and 2004 elections were widely thought to have been manipulated (Florida 2000, Ohio 2004) by a significant section of the community. Why wasn’t violence the inevitable conclusion then? Why didn’t Sanders’ fans get the bats out when they got stitched up?

Here’s Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate. She covers the same things (admittedly using a completely different rhetorical style), but she talks of predatory interests, banks, corporate lobbyists, the rigged political system, the crooks on Wall Street.

Is she promoting ā€œinevitable violenceā€?

Good to see you again btw, Whelk.

Wikileaks. The Clinton camp elevated Pied Piper candidates like Trump as early as 2015.

Under the subheading, ā€œPied Piper Candidates,ā€ the memo explains:

ā€œThere are two ways to approach the strategies mentioned above. The first is to use the field as a whole to inflict damage on itself similar to what happened to Mitt Romney in 2012. The variety of candidates is a positive here, and many of the lesser known can serve as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right. In this scenario, we don’t want to marginalize the candidates, but make them more ā€˜Pied Piper’ candidates who actually represent the mainstream Republican Party. Pied Piper candidates include, but aren’t limited to:

  • Ted Cruz

  • Donald Trump

  • Ben Carson

ā€œWe need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to [take] them seriously.ā€

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#repealthe19th

And I picked this up on twittertoo

God Bless America

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Really?!

The good ole USofA never ceases to amaze me

Yeehaa!

:lou_facepalm_2:

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Some very interesting developments. Hillary is under investigation by the FBI again for the emails. Many were surprised it was dropped so quickly in the first place. An overview.

http://www.thewrap.com/hillary-clinton-email-scandals-guide/

It’s quite clear that both camps have saved their best stuff to wheel out in the last ten days so it should be interesting to see what surfaces.

I suspect we’ll see more email info emerge but it won’t be enough to cause too much damage, and Trump must have at least two more sex pest offences to address - assuming the Clinton camp hasn’t been sitting on his tax return waiting to deliver it as their finale.

Get your popcorn, the PR teams are about to enter the stage…

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Whatever damage has emerged from the sex scandals has already been done, and would have packed a much bigger punch if not for the allegations that have followed the Clintons around forever.

Personally, I cannot believe how much she has already gotten away with. The Podesta emails suggest that the Clinton Foundation got a lot of money by tying up a uranium deal, which gave _Russia _a 20% stake in the _US _uranium industry. He was Secretary of State and signed it off. Emails between Podesta and third parties indicate favours and positions were exchanged for donations.

The Clinton camp keeps propagating the notion that some (never specifying which) emails might be forgeries, casting doubt on the whole line of enquiry. Deny, deny, deny :slight_smile: