The Not Sanctioned Unofficial Saints v Liverpool Matchday thread

I had a real good go at the early leavers. FFS 69 minutes and they were flooding out. Me and my mates were ripping into them. I was calling them A DISGRACE YOU’RE NOT SUPPORTERS. An old dear stopped to argue…big mistake…I asked what she had to say to make me change my opinion of her, She said, “Fuck off” we all laughed…“no dear we’re staying…it looks like you’re the one who’s Fucking Off…just go home…we’ll see you next season”

I felt better after that. :lou_lol:

BTW Stekelenburg made his first save in the last minute of time added on. Liverpool 7 shots on target 6 goals.

6 Likes

Huge sympathy for you and the others who were there Lifey, as I was not. But the advantage of seeing it on TV was that Stek was much less to blame than most of those in front of him. Was left horribly exposed.

Caulker was widely criticised on Sky, including by MLT, for showing Sturrisge onto his strong left for the 1st goal. For the 2nd, he lost Sturridge totally (though the pass was brilliant). For the third, Origi got a slight touch to divert it under Stek, who has Moreno’s shot covered. We fell apart at the back second half, Vic is not a CB, Caulker lost Origi though again he scored a brilliant goal.

2 Likes

Tell you what, this cheered me up just before bed! That is £140 last night and £530 tonight! I quit now! Maybe!

Weird thing is in hindsight I would not have put this bet on, if I had gone to the game, would have missed out on £250 sales for my business and spent £80 on petrol.

I would have swapped all that for the win though!

3 Likes

I wonder how Yoshi feels about missing out tonight?

Fair question. Though Sturridge is a top quality player, think Caulker may not be getting another game any time soon.

Seemed a strange game to start Caulker in, but then I’m not privy to the reasons behind Ron’s thinking

Wow. Not enough Mayo on his chips? Or just fed up with idiot boring questions?

Originally posted by @SuperMikey

Got to say, Liverpool were outstanding.

‘’ well er…on the positive side, them Mexicans were bloody brilliant weren’t they’’

‘‘Well i’ll tell you what, if that Ramierez doesn’ win player of the tournament, there’s no justice’’

:lou_lol:

1 Like

He thought Caulker was better than he was? He underestimated Sturridge? Or he thought Caulker could handle Sturridge, anyone of them and Ron fucked up, not as much as Caulker did.
Clasie and Caulker are stand out shit performers last night.

Yeah sorry to give the impression I was blaming Stek…I was just pointing out the odd stat that out of 7 shots on target throughout the game they scored with 6.

Early leavers send out the wrong message to young supporters…it say my support is conditional…you have to be winning. That’s the message that turns local kids into Untd supporters that’s why me and my mates give them shit.

Anyway Klopp agrees with me.

1 Like

Couldn’t face replying last night, especially after a lovely hour and a half at the gig with m’lady.

Everything’s been said about the match so no point raking over it again. Don’t want to fall into the trap of getting hyperbolic but that’s one of the worst feelings of embarrassment I’ve had from watching Saints.

It’s also only the second time I’ve ever left a match before the final whistle - the other being my first match; an away friendly against Leyton Orient (my uncle had work early the next day!) Wouldn’t have left early last night either but as was documented, places to be an’ all that.

On the plus side, we only missed one song of We Are Scientists and they played a cracking set (if to a half-empty room). Keith from WAS heard the score wrong and started to go off on one about how fantastic it was, what an achievement… Thought he was taking the piss until the joy wiped from his face to be replaced with sheer horror! :laughing:

First thought on getting home was, “well, I’d better order my tickets for Norwich away then”. Talk about an abusive relationship!

1 Like

He is probably thankful that he wasnt around to be blamed for any of the goals!

I feel sorry for Stek. No cover and Liverpool’s finishing was awesome last night. How often do teams get 7 chances and put 6 away? Defence was aweful.

I’ve unashamedly cribbed this from the saintslist, I do hope the author doesn’t mind but the young padewan speaks sense :-

So, where are we now.

Our equal biggest defeat, and our biggest home defeat, since returning to the top flight, if my memory serves me well.

First, we have to accept that Liverpool are a good team, with good players who played well for each other. Even so, and unlike the Everton defeat, I don’t think we can just write this off as ‘a bad day at the office’.

It started with the first goal. Not ours unfortunately, although that was nice, but theirs. Caulker failed to take advantage of Sturridge’s miscontrol, backed off and allowed him to shoot. Stekelenburg allowed the goal to go in despite the very narrow angle. This pattern would be pretty much repeated five more times, with Stekelenburg making his first real save in the 91st minute.

Up until then, Sturridge had looked rusty, as one might expect, the Liverpool midfield although numerous was ineffective and easily bypassed and their defence frankly panicky. But once we were sliced open so easily Liverpool realised that Caulker was there for the taking, that Cedric (who had one of the worst games I can remember - was he trying to show Koeman was right to prefer Yoshida last week) would be unable to support him correctly, that Van Dijck - until then dominating at the back - could be bypassed and that Stekelenburg would be beaten by accurate shooting. The Liverpool midfield pulled its collective self together realising there was an outlet for its work and - not all the time but for long enough - showed Saints that there is indeed a difference in class between the two teams.

Meanwhile our midfield (meaning Wanyama and Clasie - Davis had one of his “Why, Oh Why” games) becoming increasingly nervous (with good reason) about the solidity behind them, dared less and less and resorted to long balls either to Pelle - but Davis was incapable of seizing on his knock-downs - or to our wingers (both Tadic and Mané played pretty much as conventional wingers for almost the whole game). The latter two tried but were ‘double-teamed’ effectively for most of the game.

So much for diagnosis: others may see it differently, and in particular may argue that - like v. Everton - it was just a matter of letting in too many shots. But I think it showed up some basic weaknesses in the team that we ignore at our peril. First, the right side of defence is not right. Cedric has many qualities, and I generally want him to play, but he is NOT a quality right back. Caulker demonstrated clearly why he has failed at Spurs and Swansea, and gone down with QPR. A trier but not a winner, basically. Van Dijk showed, like Lovren and even Alderweireld, that he needs Fonte beside him to be at his best and that once the going got tough he wasn’t able to play as a classic solo centre half. He got pulled to the middle leaving Bertrand exposed, and not sufficiently covered by either Davis or Clasie (or Tadic, but that goes without saying).

Then the midfield, so comfortable at first, lost all confidence, arrived second to every ball (no difference when JWP and Romeu came on), failed to support either defence or forwards and ended up in almost total disarray. We must find a midfield general, like Schneiderlin, who can play through the odd mistake and still be confident that he is better than the opposition. We hoped that Big Vic would take that role, but I don’t see it against good teams (he may, and I hope will, be great against Villa); we hoped that Clasie could do some of that, and he probably can, but not yet and not when really needed. We know that Davis and JWP are not that type of player so we don’t understand why we don’t see more of Reed, who I still believe could be.

Finally the attack, after the first 20 minutes when we should and could have been two or three up, lost confidence as well (not surprisingly), drifted apart from one another, consistently found themselves on the wrong side of the ball when we did get it in or near the penalty area and generally signalled that it was not their day. But, when we realised how weak Randall was on their right, why did Mané not go over and torment him a few times? Certainly Tadic had the beating of him, at least at first, but it didn’t take long for Liverpool to reorganise and make sure that he would not be left on his own. Mané, with his speed, could have got past Randall before reinforcements could arrive. And Pellè, once he realised that the referee would give him nothing in his battle with Skyrtel, should surely have dragged him over closer to Lovren so that space would be left for -who? - to run through the gap.

In sum, we showed ourselves to be a team that can do great things, if the opponents don’t stop us, but has no idea what to do if they start playing better than we do. Our guys should study video of Stoke, West Brom, Swansea, Palace, all of whom have (I would argue) less skilful players, as a team, than we do but who are better able to resist and make it difficult for a good team, on form, to run away with the game.

Meanwhile, until we can afford a few players like Can, Sturridge, or even - dare I say it - Lallana, we can forget about our Top Six dreams. Our reserve centre-back has to be better than Caulker or Yoshida. Our midfield dynamo has to have more skill and energy than Davis. Our keeper has to be a better shot stopper than Stekelenburg. These are just examples, scapegoats if you like, but symptoms of why the odd good result, however welcome, will not open the door to the top.

So, Villa on Saturday, to see how well we can bounce back.

My mum left last night for the first time ever, she always berates the ones who go early so it really must have been embarrassing or she wanted to get out early for a ruck.

2 Likes

Something to cheer us up - Caulker is on loan so we don’t have to look for the receipt.

Imagine if we’d spent £10m on him… :astonished: