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I’ve downvoted this, KRG. I’m finding it hard to explain, fully, why…especially without upsetting you. I think my main objection is the initial phrase about how this country is hostile towards the young. I understand what Pap is saying in that if the young feel it is happening then it should be considered. However, I just don’t buy it (and it is offensive for you to simply dismiss this as more evidence that society has got it in for the young).

im happy to accept that some things have got worse for younger people, particularly university fees, grants and debts related to education. However, look at how many more people go to university now than in the past. Look at the quality of education now compared to the past. Things have improved since my days at school. During the labour government, shed loads of money was pumped into education. Unfortunately this is not the case with the current government, but education is not the only area where public spending has been cut.

Youth unemployment may be an issue, but you’re not the first generation to have it. When I left school youth unemployment was worse than it is now. When I was at school there were riots across the country by disaffected youths. As someone pointed out earlier, this stuff is cyclical rather than part of some orchestrated campaign against young people.

mental health issues many be on the rise…or they could be more widely spoken about and recognised rather than being swept under the carpet or ignored as they were in the past. You’re saying the hostility towards the young is shown in that spending has been cut in this area. But there are more services available today then in the past. There is better understanding about such issues today than the past. It is dealt with in schools whereas none of this happened in the past. I’m struggling to see how this shows a hostility towards the young.

as for your point about all the talk being about how awful young people are…sorry, that’s bollocks. Where has that come from? Who says that? I genuinely haven’t heard or read anyone saying that.

your final paragraph talks about poor long term planning and investment in infra structure…that may well be the case but that’s not the same as “hostility towards the young”. Everyone (other than the rich) are suffering from the austerity measures and policies of the Tories. We have an ageing population and those older people face greater and greater issues…as does the NHS in terms of looking after those people. Surely we should be spending on those older people? If you accept that’s there’s only a certain amount of money available, why should the young people be the ones who have the cash, why not the older people? You made a point about young people being told to save…well, older people have had their pension conditions changed and retirement age raised whilst working towards an end date. This isn’t a older people vs younger people hostility, it’s (as it has always been) a rich people vs the rest of us hostility. I think that talk of older people making life difficult for younger ones and the tone of your response actually do more damage than anything else. Your post is accusatory and doesn’t invite discussion and diverts attention from what the real issue is.

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have you got a problem, bro? Chk ur privilege.

I agree wholeheartedly simply the debt the worthless degree leaves.

Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez

I agree wholeheartedly simply the debt the worthless degree leaves.

True story. I wanted to do English as a degree originally. Didn’t do it because I knew my own situation, and my own situation was that I needed to earn, so I took the easy route and went for computing. Now I cannot credit all of the youth of today with similar self-awareness, but you’ve got to figure any poor kid putting themselves into debt is at least thinking about how they get out of it.

Uni is a means to an end. I certainly saw a fraction of coasters at our place. Some people just weren’t interested, but you do a great disservice by referring to thousands of human days of study as worthless. Putting my cynical head on, it’s a piece of paper that cost 10K that has only been asked for twice. Really though, my degree has been my own personal take-me-seriously-motherfucker card to play in lieu of having any real connections. I see it as priceless, which is probably why students are still going to Uni despite the huge fees.

Again I agree and the employer is buying them in reality as they are the one hiring you because of it, I am not disagreeing with concerning the value of a degree as I obviously want my daughter going to one, its the issue of debt/degree relevance.

Originally posted by @pap

Saves me pointing out that any degree is infinitely better than none.

What even a BA in David Beckham studies that all these young people seem to have nowadays?

The funny thing about that is we’ll laugh at the students idiotic enough to enrol, but remain relatively silent on the academics that dreamt it up and signed it off. How the fuck did they get that one into existence?

As I said more courses more money, when I was in NZ a lad got on a gambling management course at Lancaster, he was going to spend a year at a casino learning the tables,.

A noble dream but like most things the reality is expensive, pointless and shite.

So, to be honest, I don’t know any of this disaffected youth that you talk about - and considering that I should be classed as one of them I find it hard to empathise.

However, for some reason when I read your post it just smacks of entitlement. A number of points from above though:

Access to education is harder: No it’s not. Mote people are going on to further education than ever before. It’s become more expensive in the long term but cheaper in the short term.

Youth unemployment: At a similar rate to what it has been for the last 30 years, after a higher rate from 2008-2014.

Mental Health Issues increasing: Like all other rates of illnesses, they’re going up because people are being diagnosed more. That’s all.

Young people don’t save enough: Maybe if they saved more they wouldn’t live with their parents until they’re 40. We saved for 3 years to buy our first place. We didn’t go out much. We didn’t go on holiday. We knew it was important to have the security of owning our own place, and we knew it wasn’t going to be cheap. The vast majority of my friends have done the same.

Why is there no job security, and why can you not stay in one industry your whole life?

Considering myself and my peers are all part of this generation that has got less than the one before it, I’m surprised that I recognise none of what you have said above.

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I think you’re a lazy fucking pauper Cherts.

Why aren’t you earning £250k a week, like Wayne Rooney? He’s from the estate just up the road from me and it’s a fucking shithole. Why haven’t you achieved what he has?

It’s easy, innit?

gd post chertsey most of that is truth imo

What’s easy? Rooney has made the most of his talents and earns a fucking good wage, so good luck to him.

Earning a quarter of a million a week. Piece of piss, isn’t it? Why can’t you do that? Why are you earning a fucking fraction of what he does when he just plays sport for a living? Didn’t try hard enough, mucker. That’s all it can be.

How can a person on a living wage afford a house?
Saving isn’t an option, we have been through this before and you fail to recognise the price involved, nevermind the rest housing has gone up so much a deposit is beyond most.
Prices are going up quicker than wages and house price rises so it really isn’t a discussion, its a National issue and more so in the South East.

The issue I have with some of these degree courses is that some could easily be done over two years. I’m sure everyone has come across some of the “ology” subjects whose students will only attend lectures a few times a week. With 20odd weeks off a year as well maybe the unis should condense these courses.

As I said earlier I walked into Edge Hill “University” and was offered a course after a short interview, if Barry Sanchez can get offered a place instantly the discussion ends, education is fucked.

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I know ur not srs questions and are trying to make a point of some kind, pap, but I’m not sure what it is.

Is it that because chertsey doesn’t earn as much as Wayne Rooney (as far as we know), that proves that the system is completely stacked against young ppl, and young ppl, no matter how diligently they go about their business, can never hope to be Well Off, unless they’re Wayne Rooney?

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Don’t think it’s practical with funding being as it is. For many students, most of those 20 weeks are spent building up finances to survive the part of the year that they do need money. One of Juvenile Unit #1’s mates swaps leafy Cambridge for near constant shifts at Maccys to keep the finances up. Oxbridge doesn’t actually let their students do part-time work in term time.

Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez

As I said earlier I walked into Edge Hill “University” and was offered a course after a short interview, if Barry Sanchez can get offered a place instantly the discussion ends, education is fucked.

haha fuck yeah

Capital H Beesy, twice this morning.