The rich of any society can do as they please, you could be gay and get away with it in the 30’s if you were well off enough and had clout in circles, thankfully we’ve moved on.
The thread that will not die
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You might want to prepare your arguments Barry before someone more mischievous than I assumes that you are glad we’ve moved on from an era when as you say, _gay people could get away with it…_as if it is some sort of crime, and you would like to see some action taken against them.
If I were you, I would just admit to chucking words together badly.
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You’re talking nonsense, Barry.
I’ve dealt with people across the left, mush. While I humbly admit that I haven’t met all of them, I’ve never met one quite like yourself. Much of your content is closer to the EDL than the left you claim to belong to.
Furthermore, the left has traditionally been excellent at providing forums which genuinely bring people from different cultural backgrounds together. At the last demo I went to, I went on my tod and spent the day speaking to people from all over the world.
Some might argue that the left and racism are not mutually exclusive. Some might point to the racist campaigns the Soviet Union inflicted upon its own population. Population transfers, ethnic cleansing. It all went on.
Is that the kind of left you are, mate?
It was a crime in the 30’s, people like Guy Burgess for example.
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No, no I’m not, you can be a patriot and to the left, what are the SNP? Sein Fein?
I wasn’t aware the EDL wanted and supported gay marriage, didn’t care for any religion and couldn’t care less about colour, I’ll think you’ll find the EDL and organised religion are far more aligned. The Catholic church has form for aligning with the Nazi’s etc etc.
Baz your left wing views are so right wing I wouldn’t hesitate to place you on the right wing… of the Tory party.
Only going on the evidence on this site
Just saying.
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
No, no I’m not, you can be a patriot and to the left, what are the SNP? Sein Fein?
Specifically, they are political movements aimed at achieving a separation from the United Kingdom. They are not patriots of the United Kingdom. They are seeking independence from it.
I don’t think either are running anti-immigration campaigns, Barrington.
Say what you want, it doesn’t make it so, maybe you’re seeing what you want to see.
Originally posted by @pap
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
No, no I’m not, you can be a patriot and to the left, what are the SNP? Sein Fein?
Specifically, they are political movements aimed at achieving a separation from the United Kingdom. They are not patriots of the United Kingdom. They are seeking independence from it.
I don’t think either running anti-immigration campaigns, Barrington.
I thought they were Nationlist movements? Are they wrong? You can be left and also show valid concern for your Nation, are Labour now backtracking for votes? You’re in the wrong party if so, I always thought you were Lib/Tory but please Pap.
I’ll just throw that one right back at you…
True so it makes your original comment pointless.
Jeez, you’re an argumentative fucker aren’t you.
I can see why these threads go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on… 
Only dead fish go with the flow.
Meh to all the political bickering but this was a great comeback Baz
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I think a better title for this thread might be “Social integration isn’t happening in Barry’s mind”.
The only reasonable explanation that I have is that Barry leads a very sheltered, almost hermit like life. Either that, or he’s spending his time in an echo chamber with a group of gibbons touring Liverpool in a white van.
The more I think about it, the more ridiculous his proposition seems. I think we all accept that one can scour the net for stories confirming one’s own bias, but what about real life experience.
His ideas only work if you take some of the most extreme aspects of cultural traditions and pretend that they are the norm, hence the EDL comparison. The only way he can genuinely say that and believe it is if he is ignorant of contrasting experiences.
Long term established religions are very much a la carte. You’ve already been given examples of this outside the West. Judaism, which has been around far longer than Christianity or Islam, is so a la carte that there is a significant proportion that self-identify as secular. Even within Christianity, we’ve got lapsed Christians (shitloads, actually) and I’m sure that Barry has met lots of Roman Catholic lasses that weren’t down with the Pope on contraception, and they’ll feel fuck all guilt about it.
Islam really is no different. I know loads through work and family. I don’t know any that go to the mosque five times a day, as spiritually mandated. I know plenty who drink. Gotta say, don’t know any that have broken the pork ban. That’s the showstopper.
In workplaces all over the country, my own included, there are people from all over working together, getting on and having a laugh. I don’t recognise Barry’s dystopia. I’d wager that few do.
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Originally posted by @TheMightyOstrich
The thread that will not die
I am hoping it will be cremated soon
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Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
Originally posted by @pap
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
No, no I’m not, you can be a patriot and to the left, what are the SNP? Sein Fein?
Specifically, they are political movements aimed at achieving a separation from the United Kingdom. They are not patriots of the United Kingdom. They are seeking independence from it.
I don’t think either running anti-immigration campaigns, Barrington.
I thought they were Nationlist movements? Are they wrong?
They are separatist movements. They’re not British nationalists. Seeking self-determination or reunification generally doesn’t mean the same thing as nationalism.
You can be left and also show valid concern for your Nation, are Labour now backtracking for votes?
I think the left has got bigger priorities than Islamophobic propaganda when it comes to showing concern for the nation.
You’re in the wrong party if so, I always thought you were Lib/Tory but please Pap.
Yeah, but someone, probably you, has stuck a huge magnet underneath your political compass. I don’t even think you know where you are on the political spectrum, let alone equipped to assess the orientation of others.
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As an amusing side, I remember being in what was then named the ‘Acoustic Tent’ at Glastonbury in 1990… after a rather amazing set from Roy Harper… and I mean incredible (‘I hate the White Man’ from that night still makes the hairs stand up on the back of my neck) we were entertained by a young American band who I can’t recall name wise, but they made an interesting observation- it was raining and they how many of us would be ‘fucking in the mud tonight?’ To wish many responded with a rather optimistic cheer - I of course was on to sure thing as had met up with girlfriend from Uni who had not seen in several weeks…anyway I digress - the rather charAsmatic lead singer then suggested that we actually go out our way to find a partner of alternative colour or religion and do our bit for cultural intergration - after all he went to say in a rather cliched yet Coll truism ‘love conquers all’ filled by a cracking song that suggested quite rightly that all racists are cunts and its the subtle messages we need to be most aware of… just saying like
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