This shit is spreading.
Kirk & the team as well?
Off from the kids again? Don’t be an old cunt, they’re with me now and I was picking one of them up you presumptuous bitter twat. Was Lee’s statue put up as a testament to slavery? It was put up as a remembrance, stupid old cunt.
Trying to point score on children, you’re a cunt lad.
Remembrance of what exactly? That would be a bitter fight to keep slavery wouldnt it?
Remembrance of the civil fucking war. The people that died, Jesus wept, people died and a war was fought, are you that naive to think it was all good v’s bad, even Star Wars is changing that basic thought process.
You sound more like Trump ever day. There was bad on both sides? Remind me again what the war was fought over? I dont recall too much slavery going on in the union. I guess you will be saying the Nazi’s werent all bad next.
If you think the civil war was black and white I suggest you read about it, if you think one was noble and one was savage you’re naive and foolish. Camp Jackson for instance.
I think one was against slavery and one was pro slavery. But you and Donald would see it differently. When you have finished reading up about the German air strategy in the Second World War, perhaps you could then read up on Lincoln (Abraham, not the football club).
Come on, roll up roll up liberals.
Barry you are posting shite. Please stop - as requested on another thread
Thankyou
Lets hear it for good old Johhny Reb. Throw in a cheer for that good ol’ boy James Earl Ray too.
I think there are a few nettles that people are failing to grasp. First and foremost, it’s the double standard. If General Lee’s statue is allowed to be on public streets, and he is seen as standing for something hateful now, then you’ve got to ask why other figures are utterly taboo.
It’s not a difficult conclusion to reach. Most Germans didn’t want reminders of Hitler about the place. I suspect that most Soviets weren’t overly keen on seeing Stalin’s statue all over the shop. In both cases, _some _would have been perfectly happy for those figures to be commemorated, but they were overruled. The statues disappeared.
You’ve got to ask why they didn’t in the US. I remember seeing a statue in Winston Salem bearing the legend “Our Confederate Dead”. Doubtless the sponsors of those statues would have lost loved ones, and were seeking some commemoriation of the men they lost.
Once everyone in living memory of those statues shuffled off the mortal coil, they seem more like validation of a force fighting for the wrong reasons. They should have especially been removed once it became apparent that the black re-migration back down South, from places like Detroit was happening big style.
Yasukuni Shrine?
You couldn’t have picked a worse example. Not only are the Japs nationally cohesive to the point of being xenophobic, the Japanese people suffered huge firebombings before the nukes dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I completely accept the implied point about the brutality of the military. There are few that have done worse.
However, that shrine does not represent an open wound in their own society. It is specifically about the remembrance of people that lost their lives for the motherland. It is unifying instead of dividing.
If people think the civil war was solely about slavery then they’re mistaken, war came about because of cessation, cessation came about due to slavery not being allowed, the South is still an awful lot poorer in many places today because of that war.
Unifying in what? The raping of Nanking? Winding up the Chinese? Are you serious?
Korean comfort girls, Manchuria, pure Japanese Shinto race?
You’re fucking crazy man.
I was careful to distinguish between military and civilians, @barry-sanchez .
I said the military was one of the worst there had ever been.
I’m not sure how that’s not good enough.
The civilians believed their Emperor was a living God, they treated him like so, they were are absolutely determined and resolute and totally behind the military and Hirohito.
So it was not the South in the wrong, then?
Are you saying that it was all the North’s fault because they couldn’t put up with a slave state to the south of them?
I’m a cynical person, as you know, Barry, but ultimately, the US Civil War started because those in the southern states were facing a paradigm shift that would both destroy their economic model, and perhaps more importantly, completely invalidating the way they saw the world.
The Confederates knew cessation meant war. They seceded because they could not have slavery. The US Civil War was mostly about slavery.
Join the dots.
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