This is what people calling for more stringent conditions forget (eg the medical journals yesterday). The tougher you make the conditions, the more people will disregard them.
Yep - I know plenty in this bracket
EG a consultant doctor who will be having their parents down from a particularly high instance area for the xmas period
They were already exceeding the time frame in any case, but I can bet my house that they would carry on even if we went into total lock down
There is a view, particularly amongst our elder brethren, that it may be their last xmas anyway (despite covid) - so fuck it
The other thing annoying me is the media giving it large about Boris refusing to cancel xmas - you can bet your arse they would have all got stuck in if he had done it - wankers.
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Probably best for virus thread, but point being missed though is that the longer this virus kicks around, even if āmanageableā or with āacceptableā infection and death rates because folks no longer stick to the rules, the more chance of mutations to strains that may be more serious for a broader range of the population, infants and young children for exampleā¦ would folks be as cavalier about the rules if it was babies dying in their 1000s every week as opposed to the old?
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And a Sparrowhawk in a Pear
Oh, waitā¦
BBC News - Bird of prey rescued from indoor Christmas tree perch
one of the managers before we had any Christmas stuff published said āIām still going to go to my parents as itās traditionā. Her parents are elderly and not in good health from my understanding.
Tradition is it? Itās just what we do (particularly as a kid because we cannot go anywhere else) and itās not compulsory and Iād normally say you wonāt die if you donāt see them. However this year you may cause the death of someone you love if you do see them.
One year, just one year to not spread this around the country further.
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That mentality is fine.
Except. 2 years ago, we came back from Dubai had Christmas in UK to see my Mum.
We knew it was her last Christmas & she passed the night we got back to Dubai to pack for the move.
For 40 somethings āseeing the parentsā is a decision you each have to make.
This could be the last one for many
Kirstie Allsop made a similar comment on Channel 4 news last night.
I can see that if your parent is currently ill and you think they wonāt make it then you can make the decision to see them.
If they are not unwell then I would stay away. If you meet up and any of you become severely unwell then you end up in a overwhelmed hospital taking up beds that could be free.
It isnāt just about us taking risks we want to take thinking we know what we are getting into there are wider repercussions.
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I could have gone back to UK when I disembark from vessel in Malaysia on 21st but I would have had to self quarantine with my old man 87 years young and the probability of picking something up in the airports or planes involved was not worth the risk of giving it to him so I will be staying in quarantine in Labuan.
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Hug your granny for Christmas.
Bury her in January.
Not very traditional
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True story. I only really know what one Christmas present is each year, the one I buy. My job is to get a nice pressie for Gingora. Her job is to get presents for the kids. The kids, now in their 20s, both working, sort me and her out.
I am all done. Gingoraās present arrived yesterday.
Same - I buy for the Ayatollah and that it (save for the impulse comedy purchase that crosses my path)
The Ayatollah does the rest including the menagerie of other peoples kids who are blessedly all approaching 18 and will soon be struck off
I used to do my own family, but the I learnt early on that the Ayatollahās control freakiness, cannot stand my inaction on the run up to the big day. She starts twitching on the 1st December, is nagging by the 8th and has gone full mental by the 15th. I blow straight through this period without a second thought and right up to xmas eve without breaking a sweat.
We both agreed that she should do everything to maintain marital harmony
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I have bought one thing for the kids but let the wife do the rest, fuck knows what Iām getting this year as I want a wahoo kckr but sheās already told me to get to fuck on that score.
The Ayatollah is calmness personified, Mrs BTripz does this same cycle but about a month earlierā¦
Miserable lot! I like pressie giving! I buy or make presents for mrs g, kid g, mum, dad, brother and his mrs, their 3 kids , sister, brother in law and their nipper, cousin, nephews and nieces neighbours and friends. Cant take it with you!
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Iām crap at craft stuff so homemade pressies are a no-no.
The family would get this if I was forcedā¦
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Iām happy to do it
The Ayatollah just canāt let it go - I need the pressure - some of my more inspired gifts have been bought on Xmas eve
This system means that I donāt have to borrow your van every year
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How many of your close relatives received āmurder vansā this year?
And of that, how many of them were ācleanā? 
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