Just the contextualisation of all his comments, making out like I’d called any opponent of Corbyn a Blairite traitor. I checked. You can too. The last instance of that word appearing on this site, before he started stuffing it into his Worzels, was on a thread called The Royals and the Nazis.
Pull me up for my actual opinions and I’ll respond. I’ve continually tried to hit the argument from angles that I thought may appeal to Labour values, the dealbreakers. I’ve been called a cunt and not minded. I will argue when someone wilfully misrepresents my political positions in a series of sub-Arnie one-liners.
Shame, because the information under the pre-judgement was useful.
Well, you questioned Flahute several times about just how much treachery from anti-Corbyn MPs he’d put up with before calling foul, when he’d never suggested or implied any sympathy for those attempting the anti-Corbyn coup. He had expressed doubts about Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party, no more than that. If he’d said that the plotters were quite right to act as they did then you’d have had a very valid point. But he didn’t ever say that, or even imply it; you interpreted his comments in that way and argued against something that he never actually said.
I think I’d describe that as a straw man argument.
Well, you questioned Flahute several times about just how much treachery from anti-Corbyn MPs he’d put up with before calling foul, when he’d never suggested or implied any sympathy for those attempting the anti-Corbyn coup.
He deliberately swerved the question. It ain’t a toughie. Even if he’d have said “murder” it would have been more substantive than the answer he actually gave.
He had expressed doubts about Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party, no more than that. If he’d said that the plotters were quite right to act as they did then you’d have had a very valid point. But he didn’t ever say that, or even imply it; you interpreted his comments in that way and argued against something that he never actually said.
Flahute may not have shown sympathy (big ask) to the rebels, but he’s on their side and supports their aim. I simply wanted to know if there was anything they could do which would say “nah, too rich for me, guv”. We didn’t get an answer.
I think I’d describe that as a straw man argument.
Chalk it up as our second disagreement on language.
Pap the are clearly people sat behind the plillars in the smith shot out of the camera angle. If you are going to willywave about the rallies, how about being a bit more honest with the evidence.
nope that still doesn’t show how far the room goes back.
Has Corbyn got people running along to all the Smith rally to shoot these angles to use on the Internet. how to advertise for one of those “Photographer wanted. Must be crap”
We can do that, yes. But what you’re doing is exactly the same as I’d suggested before - acting as if anyone who doesn’t wholeheartedly support Corbyn is wholeheartedly supporting Corbyn’s enemies. As a result, you asked questions that simply don’t apply. Far from ‘swerving the question’ Flahute merely stated that it wasn’t relevant.
Anyway, that’ll do me. We’re not going to agree on this.
You’re right. It doesn’t. That’s a Smith supporter’s shot, btw.
Look, if you want a comparison, Smith’s upcoming visit to Liverpool on Saturday should be fun. He’s booked Camp and Furnace, capacity of 500. Corbyn is appearing Monday at St Georges Hall plateau. He pulled six times that number for a rally a couple of weeks ago when he wasn’t even present.
We can do that, yes. But what you’re doing is exactly the same as I’d suggested before - acting as if anyone who doesn’t wholeheartedly support Corbyn is wholeheartedly supporting Corbyn’s enemies. As a result, you asked questions that simply don’t apply. Far from ‘swerving the question’ Flahute merely stated that it wasn’t relevant.
Anyway, that’ll do me. We’re not going to agree on this.
Please don’t characterise my opinions as a Dubya style “with us or against us”.
The context is fairly clear. There were a large number of Labour PLP members doing things that were demonstrably against the perceived values of that party.
Asking what people can live with, particularly with that party, is particularly important. Many, including Flahute and myself, couldn’t live with the idea of it invading other countries.
Personally, I find it difficult to support those that have violated those values. Their actions have shown that they shouldn’t be trusted running a fucking nail bar, let alone a country. I provided multiple opportunities for people to condemn the behaviour that I was unhappy with. They were ignored.
It’s not like I fucking made something up. Flahute was either unwilling or unable to provide a response, and we’re talking about the sort of bloke that’ll call a sixpence a cunt if it looks at him in the wrong way. He’s not shy, in other words.
The online and television media showed “clear and consistent bias” against Jeremy Corbyn at the start of the Labour leadership coup, according to new research, which also accuses the BBC of giving twice as much airtime to Corbyn’s critics than to his supporters on some programmes during the crisis.
The exclusive study from The Media Reform Coalition and Birkbeck, University of London, analysed TV and online news during the 10 days after the wave of resignations from Corbyn’s shadow cabinet following the Brexit vote in late June.
The camp and furnace seems like a working class venue. Home to the working man, where the real hard core support will be. The bottom picture is a lovely day out next to all the fancy buildings, near the street cafes in the city centre. Nice for a few tourists, I should imagine.
Steve Reed OBE, the MP for Croydon North/Lambeth South [delete to taste] has been accused of “riding roughshod” over local Labour Party members, after supportive officials at his Constituency Labour Party have manoeuvred to stage a leadership nomination meeting at short notice, excluding more than a thousand members from having a say.
“There’s a real sense of fear,” one Labour member from the north of the borough told Inside Croydon today. “I’m just an ordinary member, and I just want to have my say, to have my vote, but Reed and his friends want to deny me that.
“And the members know that if there’s any sort of protest on Thursday, they risk being purged by Reed and the Progress lot, accused of intimidation, bullying or worse.”
