Shit Flahute I didn’t realise that a) I was a womand and b) Am married to you 
Do you think it a fair description of the centre?
Yes, yes I do
They’ll gain as UKIP are done ans have served their purpose, and the government in place will tend to be Brexit based.
Upvoted because you had the inaugural go, but this is more a set of likes and dislikes than a description of any core values.
Some of the things you dislike, others supported. The Iraq War can’t possibly be claimed as centre ground. Many supported it.
I didn’t, because one of my core values is that I don’t think we should be at war with countries that haven’t attacked our soil first. There’s the problem with this centre ground. There are very few core values you can ascribe to it.
It stands for nothing.
You stand for nothing, you fall for anything.
Originally posted by @CB-Saint
Im with Flahute and Bletch on this.
I find that hard to believe, so much so that I’ve had to re-read my post and expand on my views.
If corbyn stands and wins again, he will do so with 80% of his PLP against him. He hasnt been able to run an effective opposition with 200 odd MPs, let alone 40.
With you so far…
Whilst it might be wonderful that the Labour party are fast heading to the left “where they belong”, they can have the greatest policies in the world be they are fuck all use if you cannot implement them.
Still with you…
The days of the far left or right winning elections are done - you have to hold the centre ground to get power in the UK.
Ah, see, I’m not sure we can rely on history, or at least recent history to determine what will happen in a post-R-bomb world.
I could make a passable case at saying that the far right just won an election - or rather a referendum. They didn’t win it for themselves, but they got the result they wanted.
Amazing, eh?
Not anymore.
Sadly.
If that’s a leap too far, and I’d accept an argument on this point, then just think of the chaotic impact of the R-Bomb on all of the political parties.
I can’t escape the attractiveness, at the next election, of any party that tells me they will go against the results of the referendum. Assuming article 50 hadn’t been actioned, then a party that won a mandate from the electorate on a ticket of Remain would surely legitimately be able to Remain (under great pressure for another referendum I suppose).
I don’t think I would be alone in thinking that way, and I can’t help thinking that it would be a way to steal a lot of votes from other parties. And when that happens the far-left and far-right parties would benefit.
I also can’t help but think that the power in the Tory party will be pulling in all sorts of directions. Post-Cameron loyalists will be pissed off. Boris isn’t universally liked. Tory voting, Remain voters will be looking for a sympathetic ear from within the party. Brexit voters will be asking to accelerate the divorce. Chaos.
And all major parties’ election platforms will be based upon their position for the EU in a post-referendum Britain. That single issue could well determine how we each vote (or not).
I think that Corbyn is a stubborn arse and will force a leadership vote because of his belief that his popularity with the momentum mob gives him a mandate.
Stubborn? Yep, I can see that. But I actually think he feels (as do I) that he was given a job by the membership and the PLP doesn’t represent the membership anymore.
If he resigns, I honestly think he would see it as letting down 250K voters for the views of 170+ people.
He has an obligation to stay on. If people don’t understand that, then they don’t understand the man - or the party outside of parliament.
I actually think he might win as well. If that does happen then the 172 will split and form the Anyone but Jezza and John party and they will be the opposition.
Yep, could see that happening.
But I BELIEVE they would have to resign from Labour (forcing by-elections) in the process.
I thought they could just resign the whip. Didn’t Ed Joyce get slung out of the party, but carried on as an independent?
The centre folk don’t stand for anything in the way you describe, that’s why they are in the centre, they sway and move from left to right but if you want to win an election you need their votes.
Yeah, you may be right.
I’d ask a parliamentary / constitutional expert, but they’re all a bit tied up on another project at the moment.
They can just withdraw the whip or even quit the party sit as independent.
Or, if they form a new party, I guess it’s almost like crossing the floor.
Did someone mention the pompey takeover?.. 
I’ve sent off an application for Mastermind for you.
Just remember not to call John Humphrys ‘Magnus’, or expand on the initials TCWTB when you’re on air.
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So the rebel MPs have had their no confidence vote.
It’s meaningless, apart from its ability to generate headlines. Let’s see if today brings the actual trigger required to start removing Corbyn from office, which is a leadership challenge.
Angela Eagle has been mentioned as a “unity” candidate. There’s already a petition to get her to resign as member of Parliament for Wallasey.
George Galloway is something of a laugh, too.
In what kind of a universe are either Tom Watson or Angela Eagle more electable than
@jeremycorbyn ?
Both major parties need to get their act together - Westminster looks shambolic at the moment.
I think the PLP rather hoped that Jezza would fall on his sword. That’s what most MPs would do. Unfortuntately Jezza is not most politicians, he has strong convictions and an intrangsience to follow it through. Leadership election next, follow by Jezza win, followed by Labour split.
Originally posted by @CB-Saint
I think the PLP rather hoped that Jezza would fall on his sword. That’s what most MPs would do. Unfortuntately Jezza is not most politicians, he has strong convictions and an intrangsience to follow it through. Leadership election next, follow by Jezza win, followed by Labour split.
He just needs to survive until Chilcot.
The Blairites are fucked then and they know it.
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Originally posted by @Flahute
Originally posted by @pap
Upvoted because you had the inaugural go, but this is more a set of likes and dislikes than a description of any core values.
Some of the things you dislike, others supported. The Iraq War can’t possibly be claimed as centre ground. Many supported it.
I didn’t, because one of my core values is that I don’t think we should be at war with countries that haven’t attacked our soil first. There’s the problem with this centre ground. There are very few core values you can ascribe to it.
It stands for nothing.
You stand for nothing, you fall for anything.
The centre folk don’t stand for anything in the way you describe, that’s why they are in the centre, they sway and move from left to right but if you want to win an election you need their votes.
Then really, all they need to do is be convinced to change.
The cuts of this government have been near universal, with only pensioners and the rich doing alright out of it. Even many of the pensioners reject the government despite the bribes, because they see the effects of austerity in the younger generations, in many cases, having to cover the costs using their live savings.
The centre ground sounds like something to be swayed and defined, not pandered to. As you say, sorta, they’ve no idea what the fuck they want anyway.
the SNP are going to be asking to officially be recognised as the main opposition this morning as they say Corbyn only has 40 mps who support him and wouldn’t be able to form a cabinet and they have more.
Got a link for that? I’ve been on this all morning and haven’t spotted that yet.