Better trolls than you have had a pop at Chakrabarti.
They get paid for it though. You should see if you can make some bank 
That’s fine, but I don’t expect to see any criticisms about private school or inflected peers on the Tories thread anymore as you obviously don’t have an issue with either.
Not to burst your bubble or owt, but I think the major issue with Cameron’s lot was not only did they all go to private schools (apart from IDS), but many of them went to the same school. The charges laid at the Conservatives feet centred around elitism and being out of touch with the people they served with.
I think we’ve got a formidable Shadow Attorney General with a track record for being on the right side of the civil liberties debate. I’m struggling to think of anyone with as an impressive record on the opposite front bench. It’s an excellent fit, not the Bullingdon Club turning up to run the country.
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A “formidable shadow attorney general” that whitewashed a report for Corbyn.
She also seems incapable of answering the straight question of when was a peerage first discussed . Andrew Neil took her apart and for a former director of Liberty was pretty secretive on the daily politics
Originally posted by @Lord-Duckhunter
A “formidable shadow attorney general” that whitewashed a report for Corbyn.
I’d be interested if you had any proof of that whatsoever. No-one else that makes the claim seems to.
She also seems incapable of answering the straight question of when was a peerage first discussed . Andrew Neil took her apart and for a former director of Liberty was pretty secretive on the daily politics
The ultimate suggestion being that she ignored instances of antisemitism in exchange for a peerage?
There are a lot of problems with that line of thinking. First, there has to be antisemitism to cover up. I posted one of Jackie Walker’s talks earlier in this thread. She’s one of the people the allegations were aimed at.
I genuinely think an important question to ask when considering antisemitism is whether it’s racist. Having reviewed much of the material, I haven’t found much that is.
Consequently, I would be ingratiated if you could provide some examples that prove that there is enough of an antisemitism problem in the Labour Party that a dirty little deal would need to be made to cover it up.
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If there wasn’t a grubby little deal why was she so uncomfortable and evasive when Neil asked her a simple question .
I was just asking if you had substantiation for your claims. She can only be doing a grubby little deal if there’s something to cover up. It’s that part I have difficulty with.
Just before the leadership election, it was revealed that anti-Corbyn elements organised an internal investigation into Momentum Riverside. I read the entire leak, cover to cover.
Here’s the thing, Lord D. While most people, including yourself it seems, don’t want to get specific when it comes to validating their claims, one thing that is universally agreed is that antisemitism is a form of racism.
Reading this report, produced using the methods of under-cover police, there’s nothing racist in any of the conversations that were surreptitiously recorded. The few cases that were referred to the NEC for investigation were still pending as the report was leaked. The details of these cases were not reported.
Furthermore, there has been an attempt, decried by many voices Jewish voices of the left, to conflate racism with criticism of a government’s policies. If you can bring the examples, I’m more than happy to engage with your points.
Otherwise, it’s a fairly big accusation to throw around without substantiation, absurd when put up against Chakrabarti’s record.
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The political home for true antisemitism in the UK is, and always has been, the Conservative Party.
Anyone doubting this should read ‘The Alan Clark Diaries’, paying particular attention to the entries regarding discussions by the ‘inner circle’ as to why Nigel Lawson should never be considered for the position of Foreign Secretary.
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saucy
In was listening to George Galloway’s show.
Owen Smith’s campaign spent a MIL on trying to get him elected.
A mil. Can’t have spent it all on ice cream.
A bit more news to report on the Labour front.
Corbyn has regained control of the NEC, using John Ashworth’s promotion to the shadow cabinet to put Kate Osamor in place.
Two whips have resigned in protest at Rosie Winterton’s removal. One of them was that Conor McGinn lad, the one who (unbelievably) alleged that Jez was going to tell McGinn’s old man to have a go at him. He was likely to be sacked anyway.
Oh yeah, and Corbyn is getting shite for attending a Stand Up To Racism thing because the SWP were also present.
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Also worth remembering that Conor McGinn organized and choreographed the rolling resignations of the Shadow Cabinet members that kick started the chicken coup. Using his privileged position in the Whip’s office, where he was responsible for loyalty and discipline, to stab the elected leader in the back! Then when this didn’t have his desired outcome, ie, Corbyn throwing the towel in, he did indeed compound it by running to his ‘friends’ in the Guardian with the ludicrous nonsense about, ‘my mate told me that Corbyn was overheard on the phone threatening to tell my dad on me’. The Guardian, of course, loyally splashed it on the front page next day as ‘Corbyn threatens Shadow Whip McGinn with his Sinn Fein father’.
I doubt if Corbyn will be losing much sleep tonight over this treacherous turd’s resignation, he is well shot of him. McGinn has proved without question that he is 100% untrustworthy. You could trust Peter Sutcliffe in a brothel before him!
Chakrabarti awful on Peston today . When he asked her about sending her kid to a selective school , claimed it’s not hypercritical to oppose selection . Claimed its the same as being against people having to use food banks , but eating nice food . No it’s fucking not . It’s like eating nice food whilst banning the poor from using food banks . Her line was " I’m rich & privileged & that’s not my sons fault " . Unbelievable.
Lord D awful on Sotonians today. When asked to provide specific examples of the antisemitism that Shami Chakrabarti was supposed to have covered up, moved onto another subject that would perhaps dilute the initial enquiry.
Lord D; love ya, love having you here, but this is Sotonians, baby, We’ve simply become inured to bollocks arguments & attempts at misdirection. And we’re learning.
We demand better standards.
Also.
We are the Borg.
Whatever .
As Neil said , not one Jewish group backed her report & a couple said it was a whitewash . That’s my gut feeling as well , but there’s no point flogging a dead horse . You obviously don’t accept that , I thought we’d just agree to disagree.
Whats your view on her hypercritical view on selective education .
Originally posted by @Lord-Duckhunter
Originally posted by @pap
Originally posted by @Lord-Duckhunter
Chakrabarti awful on Peston today . When he asked her about sending her kid to a selective school , claimed it’s not hypercritical to oppose selection . Claimed its the same as being against people having to use food banks , but eating nice food . No it’s fucking not . It’s like eating nice food whilst banning the poor from using food banks . Her line was " I’m rich & privileged & that’s not my sons fault " . Unbelievable.
Lord D awful on Sotonians today. When asked to provide specific examples of the antisemitism that Shami Chakrabarti was supposed to have covered up, moved onto another subject that would perhaps dilute the initial enquiry.
Lord D; love ya, love having you here, but this is Sotonians, baby, We’ve simply become inured to bollocks arguments & attempts at misdirection. And we’re learning.
We demand better standards.
Whatever .
As Neil said , not one Jewish group backed her report & a couple said it was a whitewash . That’s my gut feeling as well , but there’s no point flogging a dead horse . You obviously don’t accept that , I thought we’d just agree to disagree.
I think sometimes it’s worth getting to the bottom to, especially when big accusations are being thrown around.
Neil needs to widen his array of sources, as do you.
For the JSG it has been striking that many of these incidents which have formed the basis of lurid newspaper headlines targeting the Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership, were actually committed long before Jeremy Corbyn was elected leader. If they were known to people who considered these incidents to be serious, why did they not raise them under the previous leadership? Other charges seem to have been stored up by Conservative supporters and leaked to the press when they would potentially do most damage to Labour.
Whats your view on her hypercritical view on selective education .
I said from the start that the view is hypocritical, but I also understand her point on Peston yesterday. Is she also a hypocrite because she lives near the very poor despite being privileged herself? You do what you can with what you have.
Seems fairly clear to me that you don’t care what the problem is with Chakrabarti, as long as it’s a problem you can exploit.
And it starts:
@PolhomeEditor:
Diane Abbott:(John Cryer) was consulted.
John Cryer: It became clear … a reshuffle was under way, which had not been discussed.
@PolhomeEditor:
Diane Abbott: There is no question of us forcing Conor McGinn out.
Jeremy Corbyn source: Plans were in place to sack Conor McGinn.
A series of posts in which you vaguely wave to something that might be a point?
Meanwhile, the Conservatives are adopting UKIP policy in panic mode, and dropping them days later.
I reckon that sort of stuff is more important than internal Labour spats, but hey, I’m a politics geek.