Is Russia about to resolve the Syrian crisis?

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It’s probably worth addressing this post in isolation.

First off, you’re on Sotonians. It was set up by yours truly, and to slightly rework what TCK said, I think it’s fair to say that I entertain a lot more shit than most other people.

That said, I have personally taken an editorial line to avoid much of the stuff that I used to post, especially when the source was easily discreditable. I started that line on TSW, although too late to avoid attracting a few labels. Initially voiced fears that this place would become some kind of David Icke-lite gaff with a Saints flavour haven’t materialised, but then neither is Sotonians the sort of show where improvisation and exploration are shot down.

We’re not discussing disputed events on conspiracy websites. The dispute is happening in the open, in international institutions such as the UN. In the age of English speaking foreign news channels and the Internet, there is no reason why those interested can’t seek out another country’s perspective.

There is a massive propaganda mission on the go. Our media is telling us things that simply don’t make sense, or don’t correlate with other records of note. The biggest news story in the US right now is the apparent Russian involvement in the US election. There’s not a shred of evidence for it, just as there hasn’t been a shred of evidence for much of the other shit I’ve entertained.

Why are you so happy to believe a story without the evidence to back it up, SaintBristolTedMaul?

I think it goes back to what Mark Twain said. It’s easier to fool someone than convince them they’ve been fooled. It’s not impossible though, and as someone that’s got a bit of an ear for this sort of thing, there are less fools than ever.

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Do I get to wear a turquoise tracksuit yet?

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Ask Halo. He’s a crack commando in Icke’s anti-Reptilian unit.

(Downvote incoming)

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It does seem we’re getting conflicted reports of the conflict.

Without wanting to equate our relatively cosy lives with the hellholes that have opened up on the face of the Middle East, but if the reports from Eva Bartlett and Vanessa Beeley are true, it is difficult not to see Western intervention in Syria as an assault on us too.

For the past fifteen years, we have justified our wars of aggression as vehicles to steamroller the danger of Islamic terrorism. That plan was bollocks anyway. We know that if anything, the death that has been doled out has helped to rally more people to that banner. We’ve provided powerful individual motives for more of the same. An entirely foreseeable tragedy in and of itself. People predicted we’d get more extremists. So it has come to be. If you were putting your rosiest tint glasses on though, you might call it an honest mistake. You might just about be able to get away with it.

That’s not what the West has been doing in Syria. We’re funding the same kinds of terror that we’d go cock-a-hoop over if it happened here. We will not have it in our home, but we’re prepared to unleash forces of murderous chaos against a civilian population because we say the Syrian leadership is corrupt and evil.

People are dying on the ground over there. Our rights and civil liberties are being eroded here, ostensibly to prevent terrorism, something we’re actively encouraging and financing in Syria. Those that are driving these decisions are a fucking disgrace.

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It’s your website though :laughing:

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The so-called “bandwagon effect” is a psychological phenomenon where people are eager to believe things if most of the people around them believe that too. Sometimes that thing is true and there’s no harm, but sometimes it’s a misconception, urban legend or, in this case, an unfounded conspiracy theory, in which case the “bandwagon effect” bypasses logical thinking for the worse.

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Ever wondered if you might be the one suffering from “bandwagon effect” Ted?

Here’s another article about unfounded conspiracy theories.

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“Strategic-culture.org” … :lou_facepalm_2:

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Bandwagon effect is?

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http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2015/09/economist-explains-22

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SB what is your respose to the Vanessa Beeley/ Ava Bartlett interviews?

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here ya go

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2015/09/economist-explains-22

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Originally posted by @SaintBristol

“Strategic-culture.org” … :lou_facepalm_2:

“SaintBristol” … :lou_facepalm_2:

(See what I did there?)

If it’s any consolation, SB, I’m entertaining the Jack-Schitt-is-me-from-the-future theory more than ever. I expect you could lazily mock that without reprisal.

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Did you read the comments below that opinion piece, Ted?

There seems to be a lot of economist readers that disagree with you.

Are you saying that the Canadian woman’s interview that Gb posted above is a lie? She seemed intelligent and genuine to me.

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Breaking news from Aleppo today is that Syrian special forces have captured, alive, at least 14 US coalition military officers in a bunker in Aleppo, along with Al Nusra, (ie Al Qaeda) headchoppers, (ie, moderate ‘rebels’), who they have been training, arming and fighting alongside in Aleppo committing acts of terrorism against the legitimate forces of Syria, not to mention innocent women and children. The nationalities of these officers include, US, French, British, German, Israeli, Turkish, Saudi, Moroccan etc. Some have been named, including,

David Scott Winer - USA.

David Shlomo Aram - Israel.

Mutaz Kanoglu - Turkey.

Of course this is being furiously ignored by the MSM, doing their master’s bidding to the very end, although the Times of Israel has acknowledged the reports. Syrian special forces are continuing to search these bunkers and are arresting more of these terrorist supporters. There will be some furious bargaining going on in what passes for diplomatic circles. But when this all comes out in the wash, and it will, Russia, Syria and Iran will have conclusive proof that the USA and their ‘coalition’ have been active on the ground in Syria, training, arming, aiding and fighting alongside head chopping Al Qaeda terrorists. As each day goes by in Aleppo more evidence is coming to light about Western sponsorship of Jihadist terrorists in Syria, in order to achieve their desired outcome, ie, a failed state, (just like Libya is now), so they can install the Qatari backed oil pipeline. The ends justify the means in the world these sick fuckers inhabit. Thankfully though, this attempt at regime change has failed miserably, albeit at a cost of thousands of lives and much of the country in ruins. The USA’s regime change attempt is in it’s final death throes, thanks to Russia, Iran and the legitimate forces of Syria. The complicity of the MSM in support of this regime change is an absolute disgrace, day after day of ever increasingly desperate bare faced lies and mis information. Thankfully there are some proper journalists out there, brave enough to be on the ground in Syria, not holed up in a 5 star hotel in Qatar or Saudi Arabia filing their copy, ( which is basically press releases handed to them by the military top brass).

To find out what is really going on in Syria consult 21st century wire, or Voltaire.net.

S

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To those attacking Ted…I’m not sure how useful that really is. None of us really know whats going on. It’s an incredibly confusing situation. I’m listening to all sides and reading all sorts but it’s very hard to know what the full truth is. The problem with the mocking tone of those replying to Ted is that (1) it’s unlikely to make him want to listen to you or the alternative news reports (2) SoS (and this is not a personal attack as I respect you), you cannot believe that woman based on your view that “she seems intelligent and genuine”. I’m not saying I disbelieve her, in fact, I probably do, but there is no guarantee that she is telling the truth,

The organisation that is mentioned in those reports, the US Peace Council, is not an organisation without controversy. Again, difficult to know the full truth, but here is a link that says they were founded by the US communist party and there are others that describe Soviet/Russian influence.

To sum up…I don’t know what the truth is but I’m not prepared to blindly believe anyone, regardless of the angle they take. This is something that I am going to have to hold my hands up to and say “I don’t know”. You don’t always have to be an expert in everything (not aimed at anyone), it is acceptable to just not know.

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It’s not Ted that’s being attacked. It’s his approach. I think your post is fair enough; a well articulated position pointing out your justified agnosticism. I think Ted’s approach is a load of old shite, as it always has been when discussing anything at variance with whatever agenda is being pushed on the mainstream news channels.

I like some of his posts on film though.

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Good post. My reply was deliberately like that, as Teds original post(strangely missing now) was a rather condescending(i’m being very polite) reply to Pap.

Truthfully, i’m as confused as you about the situation.

All i know is 0-2 today :lou_lol:

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It’s already 1-0, which shows you know FUCK ALL!

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