Basically, even though we are signing up for ever closer union, we can say we are not determined by the ideal of an ever closer union. Well done Dave you dumb pigfucker.
Iām saying out. I donāt trust Daves deal. I donāt trust the other heads of state. I donāt trust the EU parliament. I donāt trust the euro court of justice. It is just a massive self serving fuckfest.
Itās disappointingly negative, and doesnāt really offer any practical help apart from playing to immigrant-fearinā propoganda.
There are four big bullet points from the BBC article.
An āemergency brakeā on migrantsā in-work benefits for four years when there are āexceptionalā levels of migration. The UK will be able to operate the brake for seven years
Iād like to know what exceptional constitutes, but this is a great example of what I mean. Itās aimed at addressing a non-problem, or at best, is addressing the problem from the wrong angle.
This is in-work benefits during exceptional periods of migration. Now for me, the real question isnāt even why these people are entitled to in-work benefits. If they work here and play by the same rules, they should enjoy the same rights. The only reason it is a problem is because successive governments have not done enough to make employers carry their share of the burden.
As Iāve said before, Iām against cutting tax credits now, because they exist and families will be worse off. The Labour government of the day should have gone after the businesses though, as should the Conservative one that followed it.
Child benefit for the children of EU migrants living overseas will now be paid at a rate based on the cost of living in their home country - applicable immediately for new arrivals and from 2020 for the 34,000 existing claimants
Hereās the part where we see just how irrelevant this key point is. The issue of child benefit claimants racking up big British bonuses and sending them overseas has been doing the rounds for ages. Finally, we see the scale of the problem. 34K people, and not all of them will necessarily be from countries where weāll make a big saving.
One of the big key points of the legislation, and so far, it has only been 34K people. Fuckās sake.
The amending of EU treaties to state explicitly that references to the requirement to seek ever-closer union ādo not apply to the United Kingdomā, meaning Britain ācan never be forced into political integrationā
It never could anyway. The UK has always had the option to leave the EU.
The ability for the UK to enact āan emergency safeguardā to protect the City of London, to stop UK firms being forced to relocate into Europe and to ensure British businesses do not face ādiscriminationā for being outside the eurozone
Which is basically the government protecting their city friends.
The gutting thing is that a significant wedge of taxpayer money has been spent to hammer out this bollocks. Shambolic.
Thats the EU for you Ā£350 Million a week for this shite, at least people will wake up now and see how expensive undemocratic this trade/political Union has been. We lose more than we gain.
And Pap can you move the democracy and EU away from each other as it implies the union is democratic, I donāt mind Bazza on one ranting etc etc.
The lie concerning the EU and democracy is stretching it.
Thank you.
The way people apply the word democracy in general is stretching it, Bazzington. Besides, the tags are there as a means of categorisation. No-one, apart from yourself evidently, is going to add those two tags up and come to the conclusion that the EU is automatically a democracy.
The Bazza-off-on-one tag is proving very useful, yes.
Who voted for Lord Hill?
I think we should address some basics first, such as who your English teacher was, how many kids he or she taught, and the budget required for wholesale remedial adult education.
Thatās a long-winded way of saying I canāt be arsed responding to a point that hasnāt been made. Re-read the thread. Youāre not playing a tune people havenāt heard. Youāre just doing it badly and have forgotten all the words.
And what will Cameron give Johnson for his backing? Osbourneās posiiton as next PM? Its going to get ugly.
pig fucker.
Originally posted by @Goatboy
pig fucker.
He face fucked the pig as opposed to making love to it, are you put out as it wasnāt a Goat?
Iām a bit concerned that our PM stuck his dick in the mouth of a dead pig and nobody appears to mind. How is he still in a job?
Iām not arsed whether he did nor not, on the ale we have all done some rather obscure things.
Some Welsh shag sheep, some people from the Forest slip one up a pony, we still have to talk to them or deal with them no matter how twisted or bizarre.
The main issue is can he govern? He canāt so hammer him for that.
I mind, particularly as the charges were rather limply denied in a ātoo disgusting or ridiculous to be trueā manner. Why isnāt Cameron suing?
Because he obviously did, I couldnāt give a shite about an initiation or whatever it was, does it make him worse now as a PM?
Petty point scoring and proves how modern politics is shite, let Skinner rip him and thatās it, some liberals in their time have been up to all sorts, Oaten for instance, I am not bothered, its about what they do with their power and their responsibility, its a like a mildy intellectual Big Brother.
Again that doesnāt stop him from Oaten being an animal hating bastard.
I will be very interested to see what this means for the right to work in EU countriesā¦ I work for a global company that employs 37000 people around the world. European head office is in Reading where 30% of the employees are from within the EU countriesā¦ we also have 1550 British citizens working in Germany. France, The Netherlands, Spain, Italy, Belgium, Denmark etcā¦ They like many are concerned about what Brexit would mean.
There is s shit load wrong with the beaurocracy of the EU, wasted money etc. But there are also practical aspects that give those that work more freedoms and choices which will be potentially lost because a bunch of narrowminded little Englanders seem obsessed that they cant always get their own way within a democratic systemā¦ yet shameessly dont care less that less than 30% of the electorate voted for the govenrnment in the UKā¦ this shameless double standard whenever the democratic stick is used to beat the EU is a classic case of hypocricy, yet many seem blind to itā¦
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Why would anything change? Work visas are issued all the time elsewhere and I still can see an arrangement of people being allowed to work here subject to a points score or a certain amount of workers allowed from each EU Nation.
It wont be an issue, people have worked abroad all over the World for years, its a global economy now so the EU is dying anyway.
The ever edging towards a political Union is not what this was about, its been done in a snidey slow pace but its happening.
An awful lot of EU Nations populations dislike the EU but their Governments need Brussels, ask the Greeks!
No its called democracy, a case for compulsory voting is a different matter, a freedom to abstain, spoil or vote is yours or not at all.
Whilst I willingly accept that there are major structural issues within the EU that need addressing Iāll vote to stay in.
The vast majority of the āoutā brigade appear to be the type of little Englander that I hate with a passion so Iām clearly on the correct side.
Regardless of outcome my Mrs and I will be moving to mainland Europe as soon as the kids have completed their schooling.
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