Bazza 7 - Little Jonny Europers 0
Nicolas Soames tells John Redwood to bugger off in tweet after the latter sends a letter to Tory MPs reminding them of their duties to their constituents.
The content of Redwoodās letter will be of interest to Bazza.
Be true to your electors! If you told them you were Eurosceptic, then vote to leave the EU in the referendum. Your supporters backed you because they want our democracy restored, with powers of self government returned. They will feel very let down if you do not help them get the UK out of the EU at the referendum.
This referendum will be a defining moment for MPs. We will be judged for several Parliaments to come by what we do and how we vote. Some colleagues have implied that as it is the peopleās choice their vote can be a private matter. This is unrealistic. If you claimed to be a Eurosceptic to get selected and elected you now have to vote to leave. It is important to listen to the members of our party who turned out to help you win your seat.
We live in an age when traditional political parties are mistrusted by many electors. One of the main reasons is their fear ā or in the case of some parties their experience ā that promises are not kept or important views are overturned once in office. It is crucial that we do the right thing by our voters on this most important of matters. This is a time to put country before party, and the public interest before any personal interests. Brussels is a bureaucracy run by bureacrats for bureaucrats. Many of those who voted for free trade with the EEC dislike the excessive regulatory interventions of the single market, and never imagined they were voting for a government of the EU with its own currency, anthem, President, borders, foreign policy and soon to have its own Treasury.
We know more than enough about the prospective deal to know that it falls far short of the words of the Prime Ministerās Bloomberg speech, where he rightly talked about restoring Parliamentary control over the things that matter to our voters. His well meaning efforts to negotiate a compromise that the UK can live with has simply illustrated the sad truth that the UK can no longer decide for herself the most basic things like how much we pay in benefits, who we invite into our country or what taxes we levy.
We Conservative Eurosceptics have rightly highlighted the dangers of having to ask permission to make even modest changes to our spending plans, our taxation and our borders. Those of us in the Commons at the time united to oppose the Nice, Amsterdam and Lisbon treaties that gave away far too much of our power to govern ourselves. David Cameron himself led us in our opposition to Lisbon.
The deal before us does nothing to change a single word of any of these treaties. Not a single veto is returned to the UK that was wantonly given away. In future without a veto the UK government, Parliament and people can be outvoted by other EU states, giving us laws, taxes and policies we do not want. The well intentioned efforts to give us a bit more freedom over the payment of benefits in certain circumstances is not proof against a European Court case reversing it, nor against a future change of policy by a majority of EU members.
There is no half way house or middle way. The vote is simple. Stay or leave. If like me you want to be governed by a democracy, where government is of the people, by the people, for the people, there is only one option. UK democracy is incompatible with EU membership. Your voters and your party members look to you now to lead them. They will watch carefully, and will expect to see you now do what your words at the selection conference and at the election implied you would. We cannot just be Eurosceptic for the election.
John Redwood is just scared of all them national anthems theyāve got in that Europe.
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What a beautifully written letter, like Byron or Keats, it moves me to tearsā¦
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
What a beautifully written letter, like Byron or Keats, it moves me to tearsā¦
I think he makes an interesting point, one I made back when there was a public petition triggering a debate in Parliament on the issue. These Conservative politicians are perfectly happy to bang the Eurosceptic drum in times of election. If they fail deliver on what used to be a perfectly reliable empty promise, they could lose voters when they do the u-turn.
Some Tories may well find themselves in the same pickle that the Lib Dem wankers jarred themselves into when they held up those tuition fee pledge placards.
What I despise is the supposed unpredictability of these talks and the words āI rule nothing out.ā The reality is that Dave would be campaigning to stay regardless of what concessions he got from the EU and he was always going to dress it up to look like a victory whatever meagre crumbs he got in the negotiations. What irks me is they are still being reported as crunch talks that could go either way- no they canāt, this has most likely all been agreed behind closed doors months ago. I and many others said this was how it would go down weeks ago and itās depressing that itās playing out exactly as predicted.
Iām still not certain which way Iām voting yet by the way, I just donāt like to have my intelligence insulted by this pantomime.
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I donāt get why he cares, really. I thought that Cameron bro was only interested in Keeping Elected, I donāt credit him with Ideologies. Maybe I spose heās worried about annoying business bros, and not getting High Paid Executive Roles when he quits being president, but srs, it would be more Vote Winner if he come away from Brussells, and went, āListen Up, then Cunts didnāt Give we what I want, I say we should tell them to Do One Srs.ā Ppl would Respect that.
Cameron is so pro EU, more cheap labour and low cost goods to hoodwink the punters with, whoāll clean your house, car or do the garden now? Whoāll nanny or drive a bus?
The EU to the west is cheap trade and labour and to the East its a chance for their population to benefit and get hard currency.
Of course we can live and work thereā¦
(We could anyway if we were skilled but donāt tell the punters that)
Things are about to get interesting, will Johnson support this?
Interesting very very interesting.
One of the signatories, Pasha Khandaker, President of the UK Bangladesh Caterers Association UK, said the 12,000 curry houses his organisation represents āhave been struggling to recruit the talent that they need because of the difficulties associated with employing people from outside of the EUā.
omg! I am voting for brexit, or against brexit, as soon as i figure out if brexit is pro or con fixing the curry house crisis
OMG! Hypo IS real !!
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Just hooked this off the Bbc website
The number of Britons in work increased by 278,000 in the three months to the end of December, to 28.28 million, while for non-UK nationals, the figure rose by 254,000 to 3.22 million.
given that unemployment is at 1.69m, strikes me that we need these foreigners.
What jobs are they? What hours are they? What contract are they on? And are they on hours that they require?
We need immigration, always have done and always will do.
An example of not doing immigration and suffering is Japan, that place is going to creak in more ways than one in 20 years.
What paltry servings will the British get from Brussels and the Pro EU tories?
DC is going to get a massive knockwurst up the arse.
He will get a watered down version of what he already has. He will then claim that thatās what he wanted all along and he will now support Britain staying. Letās wait and seeā¦
Tbf to DC he is doing a lot of dirty work for the rest of Europe. I listened to the Czech foreign minister this morning. They can cope with the restriction of benefit provided it is restricted to the UK and not given to 15 other countries. Basically he is saying he doesnāt want the Germans et al pulling the plug on benefits on the back of the UKs hard won concessions (if we actually get them).
Trying to protect ther citizens claiming and sending back sterling hence all the old Eastern block Countries harping on.
But as I understand it this would be legally unenforceable (and the Greek PM has ruled out a one rule for one country approach) so itās sort of a moot point.
The primary sticking point here is that in order to change anything you need agreement from all nations. Clearly what suits the UK or Sweden etc is not going to suit some Eastern European backwater like Romania. I guess it depends how far Dave is willing to take this and at what point one or two of the others decide they donāt want to do a deal with the current terms. Iād be amazed if that happens though, the last thing the EU wants to do is appear weaker than they already have been over the past 12 months. They will pull a deal out at the last moment and Cameron will milk it for all its worthā¦