:brexit: Brexit - The Ramifications

Point is its not ‘people’ who use them… Its few who know how to take advantage of them… most people want and expect simple apps and large icons…

Its why I chose that analogy

How are the speeds in Switzerland?

Provocative as ever from James O’Brien:

  1. Who elected the head of the WTO?
  2. When did we vote to join it?
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Great, but comparing UK to CH is like chalk and cheese, one of the richest per capita countries in the world, low taxation, superb infrastructure… they were "deep blue’ when we were still using one of these…

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But it is a fair point - its hardly a democratic organisation… although if I am honest Bletch, more worried about being a slave in the US industrial/political complex… Such a nice left wing social democracy they are as well…

Chief London metropolitan elite loser.

Bristow?

Disagree with him and tell me why?

You might think it’s crass, trite, not a fair comparison or, as I say, just designed to be provocative - and yet…it makes you think*.

* well it does if you react to the words and not the wordsmith.

Because he just whinges the same shit in a different slow monotone way and has done for the last 2 years, I used to like the twat, not now.

Don’t know how to break this to you, but Bristow’s dead, mate.

Died this April just gone.

I have to admit that having a debate on the Internet is a lot less intellectually taxing if you don’t read what the other person writes, think about the ideas they convey and put effort into constructing a reply.

But John Lowe, he’s still with us.

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Just for you Bletch

John Lowe lives

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EU blink first?

I think he missed the word “world” beteeen third and country!!

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https://www.ft.com/content/f75ad220-ab93-11e8-89a1-e5de165fa619

Good news for us Brexiters, bad news for the pro EU shits.

Equally true of the UN, NATO, the Queen…

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It’s another case of projections vs actuals, Map.

You’re worried that the US may gain sovereign control over the UK. It’s a baffling concern, because at least officially, it is something the US has never tried. Your projection, based on fear.

You’re NOT worried about actual sovereignty being ceded to Germany, even though they had a fucking good go at invading us back in 1940.

Do you realise how fucking ridiculous those points look together? The Krankies look a less odd fucking couple.

You are right , that is a ridiculous statement - you are so far off the mark… Firstly, don’t confuse ‘sovereignty’ with being being fucked over in trade, in global issues (environment) etc - the US will happily flex its muscles should it need a ‘favour’ and we will bend over backwards to accommodate … you then lost all credibility when you start going on about Germany and the war - the rather sad and dare I say pathetic whine of a Daily Mail reader that you seem to have morphed into ever since the thought of Jezza leading a socialist revolution gave you a boner… but I guess there is more chance we will be invaded by those Germans than Jezza leading a socialist victory…

1940…seriously? fucking hilarious…yet also quite offensive if you stopped and thought about it… you seem equally afflicted by ‘spontaneous and ill-judged’ responses as the next man…

But yes… who would I rather trade and do business with, even if it meant concessions? The EU over the US any day…

Why is 1940 hilarious? I’d honestly like to know. In the grand scheme of things, it’s a blink of the eye in terms of history. Sotonians to this day walk around their city centre and still see the effects of it, the “temporary” war replacement buildings, extant in 2018.

That war destroyed my great grandfather, even though he survived the conflict. The repercussions pass down the generations. My nan was deeply affected by it too.

For me, it’s not some abstract historical concept. It’s something that I saw in members of my own family, and something I see every time I’m on Above Bar.

The history of the state we know as Germany can really be tracked from its inception. Late to the party, it couldn’t see any reason why it shouldn’t dominate, after finally making a coherent, large state out of the Hanseatic cities. This is not necessarily a national failing. They were simply trying to do business in the currency of the times, which largely involved being a big lad in terms of overseas possessions.

What we’ve learned since Germany’s formation is that it is not a nation to be contained. Twice in the last century, this country has invaded multiple neighbours with huge death tolls and the complete and ongoing destruction of entire regions. Ask a Frenchman living near Verdun if he feels 1918 is humorous or irrelevant to his daily life.

Spin forward a century, and the Germans are the leading voice in an effective dictatorship, crafted for the oligarchs of the continent. The moribund coalition of the Christian Democrats and the SPD has the AfD, an anti-immigration party as its official opposition and we’ve seen race related riots in Chemnitz.

It really doesn’t feel as if 1940 is that long ago.

Like I said - ill judged… you forget that you alone are not the only one effected by ‘history’… but then again many of your opinions seem served by your own self interest despite your patronising claims of being a champion of social justice… I had grandparents on BOTH sides who may well have faced each other… I had a grandmother, one of 13 children, who lost her two eldest brothers in WW1 and the two youngest in the second… But its not something that distorts my perspective on these things… ‘1940 not so long ago?’ You don’t seem to have a fucking clue anymore… like some sad relic of the Engerland band who think its ‘hilarious’ playing war film theme tunes… Best start singing about 10 German bombers hey…

If you did actually bother to do a bit of research, you would know that the former eastern part of Germany has had a history of right wing activity, since 1989, when it was depressed and the poor relative. As follower of history you should know that poverty and recession create the perfect recruiting ground … to its shame… as we have had from the Black shirts (how long ago was that…remind me?) to the NF, BNP… who made gains during more challenging economic times… Thankfully, there are far more decent folks counter protesting which you seem to ignore… so reel in your prejudices. I am sure you will be happy when we are partnering up with The US and their egalitarian and socially just and globally responsible politics.

So yes, bringing up 1940 to try and score cheap points when the situation is totally different is as ridiculous as it is offensive - but then I really don’t expect anything different from you anymore.