❄ Are you a woke bloke? (MoM approved)

Try your love length and see if anything pops out.

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Concreted over in '89! :smiley:

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They certainly were.

I read that it is optional.

Also perinatal is a term I’ve heard in my work. Just means support just before and after birth until baby is 1 yr. Often worked with colleagues in perinatal mental health teams.

Why do people spend so much time getting angry about change if it doesn’t make one jot of difference to their lives.

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My HR team are doing my head in because we’ve agreed to go full on D&I which I actually agree with.

The but is, I sort the company employee benefits for my sins and I’ve been “told” the insurers now have to cost policy premiums on the genders (not sex) we advise.

Have told them to effectively fuck off because risk is underwritten on sex based mortality and morbidity experience.

Self determined gender is a relatively recent phenomenon and there is hardly any corresponding data for underwriters to use - what there is implies a worse risk, I could go into why, but best not here.

Discuss…

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Fucking ridiculous.

Bwa-ha-ha!

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Back of the fucking net :+1::+1::joy::joy:

Can’t really claim any credit for that. I imagine they’ve pissed off half the city.

Of all the fucking places to try this. No messing, There are still people getting gunned down and shot.

They’ve paid public money:-

  • For getting someone to design it.
  • Hiring a van to display it
  • Loss of two coppers to promote it
  • The ire of most of the city, not known for watching it’s P’s and Q’s.
  • National embarrassment.

/me Looks at council tax bill…

Genuinely think a lot of this phenomenon is down to people not having meaningful experiences with different types of folk. It’s the opposite of stereo-typing really, but the root cause is the same.

Nature abhors a vacuum, so absent understanding of something people inevitably fill in the blanks.

I think there are a lot of people, including some that have contributed here, that have fallen into the “benign” end of this vacuum, except I think it creates just as many problems as it intends to solve.

Wokeness, as manifested, isn’t really about being politically correct nor is it uncritically and universally being nice. There are some issues you simply can’t take a stand on without offending people who hold the opposite view. If you support the position of many feminists, that women are people that are born as biological females, you piss off the trans activist movement.

What wokeness actually is is a worship of ascribed identities, no matter if they’re in conflict, no matter if they make sense, no matter the cost to the vast majority that shares that identity.

I’d go along with that. I think a big issue is that as a species we are in constant flux as to what is acceptable, whether that be individually, in our small groups or the human race as a whole, and we will never all be able to agree to one standard ‘norm’. I remember a time not long ago when labelling people was a problem because we are essentially ‘all the same’, and now we have incidences of people getting offended because you don’t acknowledge or celebrate their differences*. Times are changing quicker than ever and it is hard to keep up (except porn, for all it’s ills, perceived or otherwise, easily the most inclusive and diverse industry on the planet).

*One example from my experience, years ago a friend from uni came out to a group of us, he was told how brave he was and what a wonderful thing it was to come out by everyone but me, I told him I honestly couldn’t give a fuck and that it was the single most uninteresting thing he had ever told me, and that if everyone had my attitude then discrimination would end overnight. Nobody agreed with me and he was a bit upset but I honestly don’t know what else I could do, is my way of thinking unacceptable? Am I just ahead of the curve? If anyone has any suggestions I am open to them.

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I had a very similar situation, but with the punchline that the bloke in question added that he had his eye firmly on me as a prospective partner. I snuffed that out quicker than you can say “bisexual”.

Perhaps a bit harsh if it was said harshly, but I broadly agree. I’ve only ever been shocked once when someone came out to me. That was the first time, and I was still an idiotic teenager that thought homophobic jokes were acceptable, like most lads did.

I was cured, like, as I went to Uni and met a greater diversity of people. Consequent conversations of that ilk have always been “yeah, I know”.

That all said, sexuality is not really an identity. It’s the sort of thing that goes on behind closed doors, so I do find it rather depressing when people go full camp and their sexuality essentially becomes their personality.

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Yeah I’d go along with this as well, and at the risk of quoting Batman it’s not what you are that defines you, but the sexuality label has certainly come to the forefront in recent years.

I certainly wasn’t harsh to my friend, and in a later conversation I tried to convey my reasoning that if coming out was ‘risky’ or ‘brave’ then surely it only reinforces the notion that being gay was wrong in the first place, when it was in fact perfectly normal and very, very dull. I think the conversation ended with me being both right and wrong but none the wiser.

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I never liked the “proud to be gay” slogan, although I have a lot of time for Tom Robinson in general. It implies that being gay is a matter of personal choice, which most gay people would vehemently deny. If your sexuality is built into your genetic make up, why would you be proud or ashamed of something you have no control over and no input into at a conscious level?

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I think it’s a hangover from when it was really fucking hard to be gay and not be a target of everyone’s derision or aggression.

These days, it’s much less of a statement.

I am not a bloke but I am very much in the “so what?” group. Sexuality, colour, religion etc don’t mean anything to me, character/personality is what counts. We are all humans and we all bleed red, anything else is not important

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If you had truly “met a greater diversity of people” you’d know that for a lot of people it’s still a big deal to come out, even though it shouldn’t be. For example, lots of people come from very traditional families, where their being gay is a massive problem for that family dynamic… so by that yardstick it is pretty brave to come out - unless it’s not considered brave to potentially ostracise yourself from your whole family?

I think a lot of people who are in the “it’s just no big deal these days” camp just don’t realise that not everyone in the modern world is as unbothered by it as they are. They need to remember that people aren’t just coming out to them, they’re probably coming out to everyone, and not everyone is as ‘right on’ and supercool as they should be.

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Mate, it’s tough being gay in Iran.

Coming out is not the only way to get ostracised by your parents, and even if they act like total arses, you can take comfort from a much more tolerant wider society.

You can’t do that in Iran, and you couldn’t really do that here before say, the 2000s.