# šŸ—ž Trust in mainstream media **URL:** \ **Category:** Reasonably serious discussion\ **Created:** [8 July 2015 09:15 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trust-in-mainstream-media/1840 "2015-07-08T09:15:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [18 January 2019 17:40 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trust-in-mainstream-media/1840/202 "2019-01-18T17:40:27Z")
> [@Goatboy](#): > > What do you base your probability on? [![](https://discourse-sotonians-uploads.s3.dualstack.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/original/3X/8/5/8569c6f11092469aff878ba120ffc1de6a7633d0.jpeg "Red Dawn (1/9) Movie CLIP - Paratrooper Invasion (1984) HD") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVqK6wNkSxA) ---
**Author:** ![lifeintheslowlane](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/lifeintheslowlane/32/690_2.png) [@lifeintheslowlane](https://www.sotonians.com/u/lifeintheslowlane)\ **Post date:** [18 January 2019 17:44 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trust-in-mainstream-media/1840/203 "2019-01-18T17:44:49Z")
> [@Goatboy](#): > > What do you base your probability on? MSMā€¦ :lou_lol: ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [18 January 2019 18:36 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trust-in-mainstream-media/1840/204 "2019-01-18T18:36:52Z")
So you only get your ā€œfactsā€ from other sources? How they proven not to be tainted? People who deny MSM are doing Russiaā€™s bidding, what does RT say? Bringing constant doubt is nagging, question but question from a point of fact not simply a viewpoint. Do you believe there has been no collusion between Putin and Trump and the 2016 election? What does wikileaks say? Or doesnā€™t it? Convenient? ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [18 January 2019 18:39 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trust-in-mainstream-media/1840/205 "2019-01-18T18:39:37Z")
After extensive investigations The Washington Post and The New York Times have stated that there was no evidence of collusion. Wikileaks agrees. edit: there may have been some collusion with your nazi mates in Ukraine though. ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [18 January 2019 18:47 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trust-in-mainstream-media/1840/206 "2019-01-18T18:47:53Z")
Come now. Breitbart and Stormfront arenā€™t MSM šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [18 January 2019 18:52 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trust-in-mainstream-media/1840/207 "2019-01-18T18:52:34Z")
So you now believe MSM? Ha ha brilliant. ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [18 January 2019 18:54 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trust-in-mainstream-media/1840/208 "2019-01-18T18:54:39Z")
In your neck of woods maybe but in Cressington its the Times, Guardian and New Statesman. ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [18 January 2019 18:55 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trust-in-mainstream-media/1840/209 "2019-01-18T18:55:35Z")
I can quote RT for you if you like. Take your pick. If the MSM and alternative media are saying no collusion, what does your probability radar say? ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [18 January 2019 18:57 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trust-in-mainstream-media/1840/210 "2019-01-18T18:57:23Z")
I quite like some of the content of NS but you can stick Murdoch and the Atlantic Council. ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [18 January 2019 18:58 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trust-in-mainstream-media/1840/211 "2019-01-18T18:58:05Z")
So as its the Washington Post youā€™d agree with this? Is this on RT? [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2019/01/17/daily-202-the-11-gop-senators-who-broke-with-trump-over-relaxing-sanctions-against-a-putin-linked-oligarch/5c4002e61b326b3b88fef0be/?utm\_term=.e1e7570d1ce2](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2019/01/17/daily-202-the-11-gop-senators-who-broke-with-trump-over-relaxing-sanctions-against-a-putin-linked-oligarch/5c4002e61b326b3b88fef0be/?utm_term=.e1e7570d1ce2) ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [18 January 2019 19:01 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trust-in-mainstream-media/1840/212 "2019-01-18T19:01:29Z")
Check mate. ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [18 January 2019 19:01 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trust-in-mainstream-media/1840/213 "2019-01-18T19:01:50Z")
I donā€™t know Barry. Have a look for me Iā€™m off out. ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [18 January 2019 19:02 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trust-in-mainstream-media/1840/214 "2019-01-18T19:02:32Z")
Paywalled ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [18 January 2019 19:09 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trust-in-mainstream-media/1840/215 "2019-01-18T19:09:48Z")
Tbf it does allow you to read a limited number of articles per month. ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [18 January 2019 19:10 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trust-in-mainstream-media/1840/216 "2019-01-18T19:10:19Z")
Heā€™s read all the ones that agrees with himā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [18 January 2019 19:50 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trust-in-mainstream-media/1840/217 "2019-01-18T19:50:50Z")
This goes here I think Lol > **[Learn how the BBC is working to strengthen trust and transparency in online news](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/help-41670342)** > > Identifying credible journalism on the internet can be a confusing experience - this is why we are making greater efforts to explain what type of information you are reading or watching on our site. ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [18 January 2019 20:00 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trust-in-mainstream-media/1840/218 "2019-01-18T20:00:26Z")
Itā€™s a confusing experience because the BBC publishes their shit online too. ---
**Author:** ![Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saint-or-sinner/32/64280_2.png) [@Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Saint-or-sinner)\ **Post date:** [18 January 2019 20:00 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trust-in-mainstream-media/1840/219 "2019-01-18T20:00:45Z")
> [@Barry-Sanchez](#): > > Ah on who you believe, convenient, Iā€™ll always fall back on probability. Yes letā€™s. MH-17? Two suspects. One gets automatic blame, while the other was the one that made MH-17 alter itā€™s flight path and reduce altitude, but then claimed their radar went down(in that area only).They also have a history of this exact crime, but are not only put on the investigation, but also given a veto. Hold up, a suspect in a crime given a veto over all evidence. Sounds dubious donā€™t you think? But anyway, on to the known evidence. Ukraine provided fragments of the missile that supposedly downed MH-17 and all the innocent people on board(80 children). This missile has been shown to have been in Ukraines possession since itā€™s delivery in the 90s. Oops. The bellendcat ā€˜evidenceā€™ has been proven as a forgery. There are no eye witness accounts of a BUK missile being fired(watch one, you couldnā€™t miss it from many many miles). There is however lots of independent witnesses saying they saw fighter jets rising to intercept MH-17 just before it came down(Ukrainian airspace remember and they altered the flight path and altitude of that plane only). This was reported by a BBC correspondent, that interviewed individuals in various locations, but was taken down quick and despite apologising after complaints, refuse to put it back up(who do they work for?). The cockpit of MH-17 is riddled with 30mm cannon holes(that all Ukrainian fighters have), but this is not mentioned at all. Why not? Wikipedia and western aviation authorities lowered the altitude ceiling of the fighter jets on their sites just after the incident. Why? The Americans had a satellite over the area, but refuse to release what it shows. Why? The rebels that want out of the Nazi regime handed the black box(orange really) over to Malaysian officials in good faith that it would be dealt with and made public. That box disappeared to Farnborough and never been heard of since. We are not and never were involved in the investigation, so again, why? What the probability tell you? ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [18 January 2019 20:00 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trust-in-mainstream-media/1840/220 "2019-01-18T20:00:46Z")
RT isnā€™t news its a biased viewpoint of news from a Russian perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [18 January 2019 20:03 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trust-in-mainstream-media/1840/221 "2019-01-18T20:03:13Z")
What do the Dutch and Malaysians say? Why shouldnā€™t I put your views down with no absolute proof as anti western propaganda? [Previous page](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trust-in-mainstream-media/1840.md?page=10) [Next page](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trust-in-mainstream-media/1840.md?page=12)