# šŸ¦ž Trans rights **URL:** \ **Category:** Reasonably serious discussion\ **Created:** [11 October 2018 12:09 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trans-rights/4670 "2018-10-11T12:09:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [8 November 2018 22:06 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trans-rights/4670/81 "2018-11-08T22:06:41Z")
Blimey, just like the vegans thereā€™s a lot of coverage on this stuff at the moment. > **[Radio 4 host cancels talk amid trans row](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-46139085)** > > Dame Jenni Murray was branded "transphobic" by student campaigners due to comments in a 2017 article. Wonder if itā€™ll be like when tattoos were all over the media and everyone was getting them. Now thereā€™s little mention of that particular lifestyle choice - have even seen parlours closing down. ---
**Author:** ![scotty](https://www.sotonians.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@scotty](https://www.sotonians.com/u/scotty)\ **Post date:** [14 November 2018 07:50 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trans-rights/4670/82 "2018-11-14T07:50:33Z")
Walking down hanover buildings to the game on Saturday there was a family of four ahead of me. The father was saying something innocuous to the daughter (who was about ten or twelve) when she screams at volume 11ā€¦ā€œDONā€™T GENDERISE ME!!!ā€ For starters, if that had been me as a kid Iā€™d have got a clout round the fucking head for talking like that to my dad, and rightly so. But in the context of this thread it was definitely a ā€œlook at meā€ statement from a pretentious little brat rather than a plaintive cry for help from a ā€œgender-challenged young person of ambiguous sexualityā€. It was pissing with rain, I hope her startling hair colour ran out onto her ridiculous clothing and ruined it. Rant over. ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [19 November 2018 18:24 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trans-rights/4670/83 "2018-11-19T18:24:50Z")
[https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1064083791185158144](https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1064083791185158144) ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [19 November 2018 19:01 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trans-rights/4670/84 "2018-11-19T19:01:07Z")
ā€œWhere does it hurt?ā€ ā€œMy bollocksā€ ā€œOk Sir, weā€™ll have you in A and E in no timeā€ ā€œFuck you, Iā€™ll wait for the next one you gender stereo typing heathen.ā€ ---
**Author:** ![Intiniki](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/intiniki/32/9_2.png) [@Intiniki](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Intiniki)\ **Post date:** [19 November 2018 19:22 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trans-rights/4670/85 "2018-11-19T19:22:31Z")
But we evolve and change over time. So what was traditional / hisorical and cultural changes (apart from some annoying royal/government/religious stuff). Why should we be using Madam and Sir when many of us are technically not these? I only know one actual sir and I use his name not his title. I donā€™t need to be called miss/ms etc its not relevant to who I am and whether I need emergency services. I donā€™t think we need mx. At work the computer system asks us to put in Mr, master, miss, ms, mrs etc. I never put that info in. We do have female and male and anpther category Iā€™ve not yet had to use. This just seems to be more ā€œoh having to be politically correctā€ rubbish we see time as time again. Step away and think do we really need these titles? Does it make any real difference in the long run. Just use our names. ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [19 November 2018 19:29 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trans-rights/4670/86 "2018-11-19T19:29:44Z")
Using names is not really going to be an option for paramedics meeting complete strangers though. ---
**Author:** ![Smiler](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/smiler/32/70_2.png) [@Smiler](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Smiler)\ **Post date:** [19 November 2018 19:48 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trans-rights/4670/87 "2018-11-19T19:48:41Z")
Everyone down here is just ā€œmateā€. So much easier especially when you have a shit memory for names anyway! šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cb-saint/32/95251_2.png) [@CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/CB-Saint)\ **Post date:** [19 November 2018 20:07 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trans-rights/4670/88 "2018-11-19T20:07:13Z")
How about using ā€œOiā€ or ā€œMushā€ ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [19 November 2018 20:16 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trans-rights/4670/89 "2018-11-19T20:16:54Z")
I thought everyone was called either Bruce or Sheila? ---
**Author:** ![Intiniki](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/intiniki/32/9_2.png) [@Intiniki](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Intiniki)\ **Post date:** [19 November 2018 21:03 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trans-rights/4670/90 "2018-11-19T21:03:49Z")
Most of those calls will have come from someone they know. Just been reading about how many dont need a ambulance and being take to A&E. The accidents out on the roads and people passing out in the streets fair enough. But do you need to use sir or madam? I genuinely donā€™t think so. You just have to talk to them, explaining and reassuring what your doing in case they can hear. ---
**Author:** ![CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cb-saint/32/95251_2.png) [@CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/CB-Saint)\ **Post date:** [20 November 2018 08:55 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trans-rights/4670/91 "2018-11-20T08:55:18Z")
I just donā€™t agree. The use of ā€œSirā€ or ā€œMadamā€ is not gender stereotyping, its just basic good manners. I will continue to use both terms safe in the knowledge that 99.9% of people will not be offended and those who are and raise it then I use whatever honorific they request. Out of interest, if you were dealing with two strangers (male and female) and you wanted to talked specifically to one or the other, how would do it? Hey, you on the right? Hey you with the lumpy jumper? ---
**Author:** ![PhilippineSaint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/philippinesaint/32/3978_2.png) [@PhilippineSaint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/PhilippineSaint)\ **Post date:** [20 November 2018 08:57 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trans-rights/4670/92 "2018-11-20T08:57:02Z")
Look at the biggest tit Could be the male ---
**Author:** ![Won-Ton](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/won-ton/32/68_2.png) [@Won-Ton](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Won-Ton)\ **Post date:** [20 November 2018 18:38 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trans-rights/4670/93 "2018-11-20T18:38:13Z")
Youā€™re probably safe using Sheila, but thereā€™s a good chance a bloke could also be either Lance or Shane as well as Bruce. ---
**Author:** ![Numptyboi](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/numptyboi/32/25_2.png) [@Numptyboi](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Numptyboi)\ **Post date:** [21 November 2018 09:17 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trans-rights/4670/94 "2018-11-21T09:17:05Z")
Iā€™d be shit as a Paramedic. If i went to assist someone who had been knocked down by a car whilst looking at their smartphone and sporting a pair of headphones, completely oblivious to the world, iā€™d start by called them a daft cunt. At least iā€™d comply with this strange directive though. ---
**Author:** ![scotty](https://www.sotonians.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@scotty](https://www.sotonians.com/u/scotty)\ **Post date:** [23 November 2018 10:58 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trans-rights/4670/95 "2018-11-23T10:58:16Z")
![544d76a4-90f6-42cd-977d-bbaa34e30d04](https://discourse-sotonians-uploads.s3.dualstack.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/original/2X/6/6ee412cb03697e65016e08b82c2f7c76bb4b9343.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [23 November 2018 11:31 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trans-rights/4670/96 "2018-11-23T11:31:19Z")
Exactly the same for people with religious and cultural affiliation, its the tail wagging the dog. Common sense should always prevail, the illiberal liberal agenda doesnā€™t cater for that though. ---
**Author:** ![scotty](https://www.sotonians.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@scotty](https://www.sotonians.com/u/scotty)\ **Post date:** [23 November 2018 11:59 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trans-rights/4670/97 "2018-11-23T11:59:35Z")
What if, like me, you have an abysmal memory for names? I just call men Iā€™m doing some work for ā€œsirā€, women ā€œmsā€, males Iā€™m not working for ā€œmateā€ and females ā€œloveā€. What non-offensive gender neutral pronouns should I use? And donā€™t criticise me for not remembering names, youā€™re not my wife šŸ˜šŸ˜ and anyway, that would be ageist. ---
**Author:** ![lifeintheslowlane](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/lifeintheslowlane/32/690_2.png) [@lifeintheslowlane](https://www.sotonians.com/u/lifeintheslowlane)\ **Post date:** [2 December 2018 18:17 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trans-rights/4670/98 "2018-12-02T18:17:09Z")
Not sure Iā€™ve ever had the problem of referring to someone of indeterminate gender. I have of course met them but call me old fashioned if you like I just say, ā€œHello, how are you?ā€ They in turn say something like, ā€œHello, Iā€™m fineā€ Armed with two handy little phrases like that have apparently steered me through what now appear to be regarded as stormy waters . If any of you are troubled with social interaction with anyoneā€¦even with Bazza just message me and Iā€™ll be only too pleased to advise. :lou_lol: ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [2 December 2018 18:35 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trans-rights/4670/99 "2018-12-02T18:35:49Z")
> **[Meghan Murphy and the silencing of women](https://www.spiked-online.com/2018/11/28/meghan-murphy-and-the-silencing-of-women/)** > > The unholy alliance of trans activists and social-media censors is a threat to womenā€™s freedom. ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [2 December 2018 18:52 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trans-rights/4670/100 "2018-12-02T18:52:29Z")
Iā€™ve said it on here before that Mrs C\_S and her mates have real issues with this whole gender self-determination, while having great sympathy for genuine transgender people (going in either direction M/F or F/M) It really doesnā€™t help that the media and online forums such as Twitter appear to have been browbeaten by a minority of obnoxiously shouty people in pursuit of their own lifestyle agenda. Veganism is a similar thing (their influence in the media not self identifying as a turnip) Not many things make me angry but these things do. [Previous page](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trans-rights/4670.md?page=4) [Next page](https://www.sotonians.com/t/trans-rights/4670.md?page=6)