# 🇺🇦 The War/Invasion in/of Ukraine **URL:** \ **Category:** Reasonably serious discussion\ **Created:** [4 March 2022 23:25 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-war-invasion-in-of-ukraine/6414 "2022-03-04T23:25:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cb-saint/32/95251_2.png) [@CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/CB-Saint)\ **Post date:** [16 March 2022 22:23 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-war-invasion-in-of-ukraine/6414/443 "2022-03-16T22:23:20Z")
Basically they are losing patience with their frontline unit commanders and going down to the front to get things moving. Unfortunately for the only thing that gets moved is a good chunk of their head ---
**Author:** ![Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/polski_filip/32/75318_2.png) [@Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Polski_Filip)\ **Post date:** [16 March 2022 22:35 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-war-invasion-in-of-ukraine/6414/444 "2022-03-16T22:35:23Z")
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**Author:** ![Donkey\_Schlong](https://www.sotonians.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Donkey\_Schlong](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Donkey_Schlong)\ **Post date:** [16 March 2022 22:48 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-war-invasion-in-of-ukraine/6414/445 "2022-03-16T22:48:42Z")
Alternative analysis of what’s going on from one of Trump’s guys: [![](https://discourse-sotonians-uploads.s3.dualstack.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/original/3X/b/8/b86dfd789336dc38d29a86cc0bb03b1e210a5fbb.jpeg "Col Macgregor on the Grayzone 15MAR22 "The War for all intents and purposes has been decided"") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Iw0m-Pc08Q) One claim he makes is that Russians have been ordered to use the roads in order to avoid damaging crops during the planting season. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/not_barry/32/71329_2.png) [@Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Not_Barry)\ **Post date:** [16 March 2022 23:01 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-war-invasion-in-of-ukraine/6414/446 "2022-03-16T23:01:09Z")
Basically they will, but with posher language. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/not_barry/32/71329_2.png) [@Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Not_Barry)\ **Post date:** [16 March 2022 23:03 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-war-invasion-in-of-ukraine/6414/447 "2022-03-16T23:03:33Z")
Alternative! I suppose there could be something in it, I’d say Putin is so out of it he values a wheat field more than a childrens hospital. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/not_barry/32/71329_2.png) [@Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Not_Barry)\ **Post date:** [16 March 2022 23:13 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-war-invasion-in-of-ukraine/6414/448 "2022-03-16T23:13:22Z")
That McGregor bloke is off his head, he is genuinely crazy. He’s Fox News isn’t he? ---
**Author:** ![Donkey\_Schlong](https://www.sotonians.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Donkey\_Schlong](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Donkey_Schlong)\ **Post date:** [16 March 2022 23:34 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-war-invasion-in-of-ukraine/6414/449 "2022-03-16T23:34:58Z")
Retired US army colonel. " In 2020, President [Donald Trump](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump) proposed Macgregor as [ambassador to Germany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ambassador_to_Germany), but the Senate blocked the nomination. On November 11, 2020, a Pentagon spokesperson announced that Macgregor had been hired to serve as Senior Advisor to the Acting Secretary of Defense, a post he held for less than three months." He was interviewed by fox in another video I posted some days ago. ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [17 March 2022 08:05 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-war-invasion-in-of-ukraine/6414/450 "2022-03-17T08:05:43Z")
Can we not say the same about you? Except Stormfront, not Fox News? ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [17 March 2022 08:40 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-war-invasion-in-of-ukraine/6414/451 "2022-03-17T08:40:49Z")
> [@Not\_Barry](#): > > I’d say Putin is so out of it he values a wheat field more than a childrens hospital. The wheat field argument seems to be a lazy argument- a red herring if you will. Hasn’t someone already posted about the Russians sticking to roads because the spring thaw is making going over open country impossible? ---
**Author:** ![Donkey\_Schlong](https://www.sotonians.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Donkey\_Schlong](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Donkey_Schlong)\ **Post date:** [17 March 2022 08:47 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-war-invasion-in-of-ukraine/6414/452 "2022-03-17T08:47:23Z")
> [@Cobham-Saint](#): > > The wheat field argument seems to be a lazy argument- a red herring if you will. Hasn’t someone already posted about the Russians sticking to roads because the spring thaw is making going over open country impossible? I find the mud argument a bit difficult to believe. Sure tanks and off-road vehicles can get stuck in mud, but they are also specifically designed to drive in the mud. My question is whether NATO has been secretly installing high tech ultra slippery mud in Ukraine since Maidan. ---
**Author:** ![Donkey\_Schlong](https://www.sotonians.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Donkey\_Schlong](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Donkey_Schlong)\ **Post date:** [17 March 2022 09:07 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-war-invasion-in-of-ukraine/6414/453 "2022-03-17T09:07:11Z")
> [@Donkey\_Schlong](#): > > My question is whether NATO has been secretly installing high tech ultra slippery mud in Ukraine since Maidan. Could explain the biolabs as being the place where the mud is developed too. > [@Not\_Barry](#): > > childrens hospital. The picture of the lady being carried away on the stretcher outside the maternity hospital. Can you explain why there is no smoke or dust in the air, why the car in the foreground is on fire but the hospital in the background appears not to be and why that would be the case if the woman had been rescued shortly after the strike? ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/not_barry/32/71329_2.png) [@Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Not_Barry)\ **Post date:** [17 March 2022 09:28 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-war-invasion-in-of-ukraine/6414/454 "2022-03-17T09:28:54Z")
Why do you cast assertions about me like that Pap? I despise the nazis, always have always will, I’m also not aligning with one, who’d have thought the left running to Fox news to defend their position, strange times. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/not_barry/32/71329_2.png) [@Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Not_Barry)\ **Post date:** [17 March 2022 09:31 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-war-invasion-in-of-ukraine/6414/455 "2022-03-17T09:31:12Z")
> [@Donkey\_Schlong](#): > > Could explain the biolabs as being the place where the mud is developed too. Can you show me these? Also a bit rich the Russians bitching about poison when that is their go murder weapon. > [@Donkey\_Schlong](#): > > The picture of the lady being carried away on the stretcher outside the maternity hospital. Can you explain why there is no smoke or dust in the air, why the car in the foreground is on fire but the hospital in the background appears not to be and why that would be the case if the woman had been rescued shortly after the strike Hold up tin foil alert, but I bet you’re right on it over Syria quoting any old source that agreed with your agenda. Did Russia invade Ukraine yes or no? No but but but’s. Just a yes or no. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/not_barry/32/71329_2.png) [@Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Not_Barry)\ **Post date:** [17 March 2022 09:34 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-war-invasion-in-of-ukraine/6414/456 "2022-03-17T09:34:18Z")
Fascists killing fascists, that’s one for the pub quiz. ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [17 March 2022 09:50 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-war-invasion-in-of-ukraine/6414/457 "2022-03-17T09:50:01Z")
> [@Donkey\_Schlong](#): > > > [@Donkey\_Schlong](#): > > > > My question is whether NATO has been secretly installing high tech ultra slippery mud in Ukraine since Maidan. > > Could explain the biolabs as being the place where the mud is developed too. Hmmmm 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cb-saint/32/95251_2.png) [@CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/CB-Saint)\ **Post date:** [17 March 2022 09:58 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-war-invasion-in-of-ukraine/6414/458 "2022-03-17T09:58:17Z")
The tanks might be able to manage the mud, just up to the point they run out of gas and they need a fuel truck A static tank is a shit tank ---
**Author:** ![Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/polski_filip/32/75318_2.png) [@Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Polski_Filip)\ **Post date:** [17 March 2022 10:01 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-war-invasion-in-of-ukraine/6414/459 "2022-03-17T10:01:34Z")
Not as if anyone with a brain would know that frozen ground in spring could possibly turn into mud Nope never saw that coming ---
**Author:** ![Donkey\_Schlong](https://www.sotonians.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Donkey\_Schlong](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Donkey_Schlong)\ **Post date:** [17 March 2022 10:30 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-war-invasion-in-of-ukraine/6414/460 "2022-03-17T10:30:12Z")
> [@Not\_Barry](#): > > Can you show me these? > > Also a bit rich the Russians bitching about poison when that is their go murder weapon. It was a joke Barry, but the interview Rubio did with Nuland was very suspicious. One possibly objective view on it appears to be that there are indeed Soviet era bio labs in Ukraine containing hazardous material that US is helping to decomission. Question is why there’s still this hazardous material there 30 years after collapse of USSR? I’ve no idea. https://www.youtube.com/embed/fvRpntmUIxs?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque > [@Not\_Barry](#): > > Hold up tin foil alert, but I bet you’re right on it over Syria quoting any old source that agreed with your agenda It was just a question. Re: Syria I’m not sure what you’re referring to but the source I am inclined to believe that blows a big hole in the Western media potrayal of what happened in Douma is the person who was in charge of the engineering sub-group of the OPCW Fact Finding Mission, who’s report was heavily suppressed by the media: ![Screenshot-800](https://discourse-sotonians-uploads.s3.dualstack.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/original/3X/a/d/ad372f2956f0c5023c06e8e66fa2b09d3d68f1b0.png) > **[The World: What is Really Happening - Craig Murray](https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/05/the-world-what-is-really-happening/)** > > If you want to understand what is really happening in the world today, a mid-ranking official named Ian Henderson is vastly more important to you than Theresa May. You will not, however, find anything about Henderson in the vast majority of corporate... ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/not_barry/32/71329_2.png) [@Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Not_Barry)\ **Post date:** [17 March 2022 10:32 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-war-invasion-in-of-ukraine/6414/461 "2022-03-17T10:32:27Z")
> [@Donkey\_Schlong](#): > > It was a joke Barry, **but** the interview Rubio did with Nuland was very suspicious. One possibly objective view on it appears to be that there are indeed Soviet era bio labs in Ukraine containing hazardous material that US is helping to decomission. Question is why there’s still this hazardous material there 30 years after collapse of USSR? I’ve no idea. Generally the word but negates what went before, in this instance I think this applies. Poor. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/not_barry/32/71329_2.png) [@Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Not_Barry)\ **Post date:** [17 March 2022 10:35 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-war-invasion-in-of-ukraine/6414/462 "2022-03-17T10:35:56Z")
Ah Craig Murray, who does he or did he work for again? Russia destroyed parts of Syria with indiscriminate bombing again poor, I’ll be straight whenever Russia commits a war crime you go but but but or quote some shill. Is this false > **[‘Scum and traitors’: Vladimir Putin threatens anti-war Russians](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/17/scum-and-traitors-vladimir-putin-threatens-anti-war-russians)** > > ‘A necessary self-purification of society will only strengthen our country,’ Russian leader says. This is Russia’s leader, a war criminal. [Previous page](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-war-invasion-in-of-ukraine/6414.md?page=22) [Next page](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-war-invasion-in-of-ukraine/6414.md?page=24)