# 🇺🇦 💣 The new Ukraine thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Reasonably serious discussion\ **Created:** [13 September 2022 20:08 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-new-ukraine-thread/6585 "2022-09-13T20:08:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cb-saint/32/95251_2.png) [@CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/CB-Saint)\ **Post date:** [13 September 2022 20:08 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-new-ukraine-thread/6585/1 "2022-09-13T20:08:03Z")
It seems.a bit daft not to have a thread on what is causing the most amount of grief in the modern world right now Assuming the mods can keep Baz out of it - shall we have another go? ---
**Author:** ![Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/polski_filip/32/75318_2.png) [@Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Polski_Filip)\ **Post date:** [13 September 2022 20:10 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-new-ukraine-thread/6585/2 "2022-09-13T20:10:57Z")
And today I had a Ukrainian client on my trip to Auschwitz. Here on business I didn’t ask what and he thanked me for taking him. Life does go on ---
**Author:** ![CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cb-saint/32/95251_2.png) [@CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/CB-Saint)\ **Post date:** [13 September 2022 20:11 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-new-ukraine-thread/6585/3 "2022-09-13T20:11:30Z")
Ukraine are definitely have a better week Do you reckon they could get Crimea back when this all shakes out? ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [13 September 2022 20:15 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-new-ukraine-thread/6585/4 "2022-09-13T20:15:18Z")
It definitely appears so. You can tell because the Russian leaning YouTube sites are doing their best to downplay the momentum. That tells me something is going on. I see that the Ukrainians themselves are now claiming that Kherson was a load of shit and just meant to trigger the redeployment of Russian forces. ---
**Author:** ![CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cb-saint/32/95251_2.png) [@CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/CB-Saint)\ **Post date:** [13 September 2022 20:39 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-new-ukraine-thread/6585/5 "2022-09-13T20:39:30Z")
The other thing that has happened is that Russian politicians are beginning to put their head above the parapet Not massive for now but acorns and oaks and all that There was one on the state TV saying that this was not winnable - others on there were calling for total war The thought was that it may be Putin laying down some narrative that he was misled by his generals that this was a winnable situation just to test the water ---
**Author:** ![Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/polski_filip/32/75318_2.png) [@Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Polski_Filip)\ **Post date:** [13 September 2022 20:45 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-new-ukraine-thread/6585/6 "2022-09-13T20:45:24Z")
Then that sits counter with the Chechen Warlord telling Putin the truth. And the General appointed in August being sacked (,allegedly) Zelensky needs to be careful with Crimea cant just blow up the bridge to Russia. Hes doing a great job now taking out arms dumps & resupply lines and causing panic. Keep those tactics going Going big now may get the retaliation of a madman ---
**Author:** ![Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/polski_filip/32/75318_2.png) [@Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Polski_Filip)\ **Post date:** [14 September 2022 07:49 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-new-ukraine-thread/6585/7 "2022-09-14T07:49:39Z")
Weird shit. Individual military trucks & fuel bowsers all across town passed them on almost every road. Then a formation of military prop planes did a high speed formation approach at the airport before splitting for individual landings Spooky ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [14 September 2022 08:36 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-new-ukraine-thread/6585/8 "2022-09-14T08:36:01Z")
> [@Polski\_Filip](#): > > Going big now may get the retaliation of a madman Quiet, Barry. ---
**Author:** ![Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/polski_filip/32/75318_2.png) [@Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Polski_Filip)\ **Post date:** [14 September 2022 09:46 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-new-ukraine-thread/6585/9 "2022-09-14T09:46:39Z")
Damn I was only precising a bunch of fail articles rather than posting them. Nut EITHER something is going on in Moscow OR this is a diversion tactic ---
**Author:** ![Treebeard](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/treebeard/32/71332_2.png) [@Treebeard](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Treebeard)\ **Post date:** [14 September 2022 11:30 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-new-ukraine-thread/6585/10 "2022-09-14T11:30:07Z")
In WWII, didn’t Rommel tell Hitler the allies would invade in Normandy, but other advisers said it would be somewhere else, and I think Rommel’s forces were deployed away from where the D day invasion actually took place. ---
**Author:** ![Treebeard](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/treebeard/32/71332_2.png) [@Treebeard](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Treebeard)\ **Post date:** [14 September 2022 11:35 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-new-ukraine-thread/6585/11 "2022-09-14T11:35:52Z")
Pardon my possible ignorance, but wouldn’t destroying the Russian built bridge into Crimea be a good move to sever supply lines from Russia into Crimea/Ukraine? ---
**Author:** ![Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/polski_filip/32/75318_2.png) [@Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Polski_Filip)\ **Post date:** [14 September 2022 14:41 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-new-ukraine-thread/6585/12 "2022-09-14T14:41:15Z")
Yes. Obviously - cut Crimea off etc yu are right - good thing. BUT I have fears Equally and ONLY imho it is possible the end game is beginning. Morale Materiel and Leadership appear to be crumbling (and yes I don’t believe what I read hence the word appear) Comments being made by the inner circle of Putin. So he is under pressure, his big gamble is in trouble. So I think a grand gesture like cutting Crimea off is not wise at this time. Pressure is mounting on Putin - good. But pushing him into a corner may cause him to lash out - it would be VERY simple to target the HIMARS units with Battlefield Nukes, and something a Madman could contemplate. So dangerous days ---
**Author:** ![Treebeard](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/treebeard/32/71332_2.png) [@Treebeard](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Treebeard)\ **Post date:** [14 September 2022 16:40 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-new-ukraine-thread/6585/13 "2022-09-14T16:40:10Z")
Yes - I agree with you about what the lunatic might do, but probably the Ukrainians have a plan about when the bridge will be destroyed. ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [15 September 2022 21:40 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-new-ukraine-thread/6585/14 "2022-09-15T21:40:13Z")
Interesting > **[Russia's Wagner boss: It's prisoners fighting in Ukraine, or your children](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62922152)** > > The head of the Russian mercenary group defends sending convicts to the Ukraine front line. Sanctioned by Putin? Doesn’t seem unreasonable to assume so, but I’m no expert on this conflict. ---
**Author:** ![Waylander](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/waylander/32/3868_2.png) [@Waylander](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Waylander)\ **Post date:** [16 September 2022 06:38 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-new-ukraine-thread/6585/15 "2022-09-16T06:38:53Z")
Progozhin, the Wagner boss, is a mate of Putin so that seems a reasonable assumption ---
**Author:** ![BTripz](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/btripz/32/75839_2.png) [@BTripz](https://www.sotonians.com/u/BTripz)\ **Post date:** [20 September 2022 14:19 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-new-ukraine-thread/6585/16 "2022-09-20T14:19:45Z")
> **[Turkey's Erdogan: Russia's Putin willing to end war](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62965993)** > > As Ukraine reclaims more land, the Turkish leader says Russia aims to end the war as soon as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [20 September 2022 18:07 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-new-ukraine-thread/6585/17 "2022-09-20T18:07:57Z")
Yeah, he’s probably taking out of his arse. > **[Ukraine war: Occupied areas call urgent vote to join Russia](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62965998)** > > As Ukraine's counter-offensive gathers pace, Russian-backed officials declare plans for an urgent vote. ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [21 September 2022 06:21 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-new-ukraine-thread/6585/18 "2022-09-21T06:21:00Z")
The man is off his rocker > **[Ukraine war latest: Putin announces partial military mobilisation - BBC News](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-62970683)** > > World leaders have condemned plans by Moscow’s proxy states in Ukraine to hold so-called referendums on joining Russia. ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [21 September 2022 07:20 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-new-ukraine-thread/6585/19 "2022-09-21T07:20:22Z")
Quiet Barry. ---
**Author:** ![BTripz](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/btripz/32/75839_2.png) [@BTripz](https://www.sotonians.com/u/BTripz)\ **Post date:** [21 September 2022 09:28 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-new-ukraine-thread/6585/20 "2022-09-21T09:28:42Z")
> [@Cobham-Saint](#): > > The man is off his rocker I think more like living in an alternate reality. Maybe it’s like the Man in the High Castle where there are alternate Earths and he keeps swapping between them and has forgotten which one he is in… [Next page](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-new-ukraine-thread/6585.md?page=2)