# 🌎🌏 The Fall of Western Hegemony and the Transition to a Multipolar World **URL:** \ **Category:** The Sotonians position on..\ **Created:** [17 April 2022 11:24 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-fall-of-western-hegemony-and-the-transition-to-a-multipolar-world/6456 "2022-04-17T11:24:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/polski_filip/32/75318_2.png) [@Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Polski_Filip)\ **Post date:** [17 April 2022 20:43 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-fall-of-western-hegemony-and-the-transition-to-a-multipolar-world/6456/22 "2022-04-17T20:43:29Z")
Irrelevant Short term they switch off production the West is screwed For empirical data google global impact of Covid lockdowns in Shanghai And that is not deliberate ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/not_barry/32/71329_2.png) [@Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Not_Barry)\ **Post date:** [17 April 2022 20:43 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-fall-of-western-hegemony-and-the-transition-to-a-multipolar-world/6456/23 "2022-04-17T20:43:31Z")
So from that rant you’re basically saying China is a cheap workshop, we all know that, when they start creating and exporting tech then it’ll be a different story, ie cars, phones, consumer goods of western standard quality, not shite in B&M. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/not_barry/32/71329_2.png) [@Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Not_Barry)\ **Post date:** [17 April 2022 20:45 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-fall-of-western-hegemony-and-the-transition-to-a-multipolar-world/6456/24 "2022-04-17T20:45:01Z")
They couldn’t and they wouldn’t as their greatest fear is revolution, and it will come if the middle classes aren’t fed on their western diet of western goods. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/not_barry/32/71329_2.png) [@Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Not_Barry)\ **Post date:** [17 April 2022 20:47 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-fall-of-western-hegemony-and-the-transition-to-a-multipolar-world/6456/25 "2022-04-17T20:47:23Z")
So you keep your lada, Chinese phone and their crap, I’ll stick with apple, well known car makers and western goods. ---
**Author:** ![Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/polski_filip/32/75318_2.png) [@Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Polski_Filip)\ **Post date:** [17 April 2022 20:48 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-fall-of-western-hegemony-and-the-transition-to-a-multipolar-world/6456/26 "2022-04-17T20:48:24Z")
For the love of God bazbot. You cannot be that naive, surely. > **[Foxconn](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn)** > > Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., Ltd., trading as Foxconn Technology Group and better known as Foxconn, is a Taiwanese multinational electronics contract manufacturer with its headquarters in Tucheng, New Taipei City, Taiwan. In 2010, it was the world's largest provider of electronics manufacturing services and the fourth-largest technology company by revenue. While headquartered in Taiwan, the company is the largest private employer in the People's Republic of China and one of the largest e Fox... > **[Lenovo](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo)** > > Lenovo Group Limited, often shortened to Lenovo (/ləˈnoʊvoʊ/ lə-NOH-voh, Chinese: 联想; pinyin: Liánxiǎng), is a Chinese multinational technology company specializing in designing, manufacturing, and marketing consumer electronics, personal computers, software, business solutions, and related services. Products manufactured by the company include desktop computers, laptops, tablet computers, smartphones, workstations, servers, supercomputers, electronic storage devices, IT management software, a... Really cant be arsed to post more links ---
**Author:** ![Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/polski_filip/32/75318_2.png) [@Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Polski_Filip)\ **Post date:** [17 April 2022 20:49 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-fall-of-western-hegemony-and-the-transition-to-a-multipolar-world/6456/27 "2022-04-17T20:49:11Z")
> [@Not\_Barry](#): > > So you keep your lada, Chinese phone and their crap, I’ll stick with apple, well known car makers and western goods. Dear Forum. He finally imploded. Who makes Apple Smartphones Baz? ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/not_barry/32/71329_2.png) [@Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Not_Barry)\ **Post date:** [17 April 2022 20:55 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-fall-of-western-hegemony-and-the-transition-to-a-multipolar-world/6456/28 "2022-04-17T20:55:15Z")
Lenovo are shite, I’ve know I’ve got one. Patents Phil, patents. It doesn’t matter where something is produced it matters who owns the patents, are apple Chinese? They make something, as an example Air Bus make planes (wings and other bits) in Broughton but they don’t own the plane, you see what I’m getting at here? Mexico produces an awful lot of cars for the US market but do you think they own General Motors? Sunderland and Nissan etc etc Come on. ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [17 April 2022 20:59 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-fall-of-western-hegemony-and-the-transition-to-a-multipolar-world/6456/29 "2022-04-17T20:59:16Z")
> [@Not\_Barry](#): > > Lenovo are shite, I’ve know I’ve got one. Really? I have one, it works rather well thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Waylander](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/waylander/32/3868_2.png) [@Waylander](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Waylander)\ **Post date:** [17 April 2022 21:07 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-fall-of-western-hegemony-and-the-transition-to-a-multipolar-world/6456/30 "2022-04-17T21:07:35Z")
“And we don’t have the ability to make the most advanced chips now — right now. But today, 75 percent of production takes place in East Asia. **Ninety percent of the most advanced chips are made in Taiwan** Quoted from NY Times 26 Jan 2022 ---
**Author:** ![Waylander](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/waylander/32/3868_2.png) [@Waylander](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Waylander)\ **Post date:** [17 April 2022 21:09 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-fall-of-western-hegemony-and-the-transition-to-a-multipolar-world/6456/31 "2022-04-17T21:09:28Z")
Patents only matter when you have courts that enforce them. If the Chinese or indian courts are not prepared to act on patent infringements there is f##k all the western owners of the IP can do. ---
**Author:** ![Donkey\_Schlong](https://www.sotonians.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Donkey\_Schlong](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Donkey_Schlong)\ **Post date:** [17 April 2022 21:11 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-fall-of-western-hegemony-and-the-transition-to-a-multipolar-world/6456/32 "2022-04-17T21:11:28Z")
> [@Not\_Barry](#): > > It doesn’t matter where something is produced it matters who owns the patents, are apple Chinese? Genuine question, that I don’t know the answer to. Patents may matter now (that’s debatable. Loads of companies including western companies infringe on each others patents, relying on the fact that many patents won’t be defended) but do patents matter even less in a multipolar world? If China sells all it’s Xiaomi’s (the Chinese iPhones, which are great phones and incredible value for money btw) to Indian and African markets and ignores the US market (much as they do now) but the US no longer has the ability to impose meaningful sanctions on them, what leverage does the US have to stop Xiaomi from infringing Apple patents? ---
**Author:** ![Waylander](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/waylander/32/3868_2.png) [@Waylander](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Waylander)\ **Post date:** [17 April 2022 21:13 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-fall-of-western-hegemony-and-the-transition-to-a-multipolar-world/6456/33 "2022-04-17T21:13:02Z")
It is well worth noting that in addtion to electronics, China is now the source of the majority of bulk chemicals in the world including the basic starting materials for many widely-used medicines ---
**Author:** ![Donkey\_Schlong](https://www.sotonians.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Donkey\_Schlong](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Donkey_Schlong)\ **Post date:** [17 April 2022 21:14 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-fall-of-western-hegemony-and-the-transition-to-a-multipolar-world/6456/34 "2022-04-17T21:14:32Z")
> [@Waylander](#): > > It is well worth noting that in addtion to electronics, China is now the souce of the majority of bulk chemicals in the world including the basic starting materials for many widely-used medicines We only need to look at where all our COVID test kits came from to get a flavour of this. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/not_barry/32/71329_2.png) [@Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Not_Barry)\ **Post date:** [17 April 2022 21:14 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-fall-of-western-hegemony-and-the-transition-to-a-multipolar-world/6456/35 "2022-04-17T21:14:41Z")
True but China copies apple so they’re always behind on innovation, they’ve copied them for years. ---
**Author:** ![Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/polski_filip/32/75318_2.png) [@Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Polski_Filip)\ **Post date:** [17 April 2022 21:14 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-fall-of-western-hegemony-and-the-transition-to-a-multipolar-world/6456/36 "2022-04-17T21:14:54Z")
And PPE ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/not_barry/32/71329_2.png) [@Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Not_Barry)\ **Post date:** [17 April 2022 21:14 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-fall-of-western-hegemony-and-the-transition-to-a-multipolar-world/6456/37 "2022-04-17T21:14:57Z")
Yes cheap shite. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/not_barry/32/71329_2.png) [@Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Not_Barry)\ **Post date:** [17 April 2022 21:15 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-fall-of-western-hegemony-and-the-transition-to-a-multipolar-world/6456/38 "2022-04-17T21:15:58Z")
But they don’t hold patents or big pharmaceutical companies. It’s a tarted up workshop. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/not_barry/32/71329_2.png) [@Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Not_Barry)\ **Post date:** [17 April 2022 21:16 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-fall-of-western-hegemony-and-the-transition-to-a-multipolar-world/6456/39 "2022-04-17T21:16:44Z")
Lovely, I have one and its shite. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/not_barry/32/71329_2.png) [@Not\_Barry](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Not_Barry)\ **Post date:** [17 April 2022 21:17 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-fall-of-western-hegemony-and-the-transition-to-a-multipolar-world/6456/40 "2022-04-17T21:17:15Z")
How did that turn out? ---
**Author:** ![Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/polski_filip/32/75318_2.png) [@Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Polski_Filip)\ **Post date:** [17 April 2022 21:17 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-fall-of-western-hegemony-and-the-transition-to-a-multipolar-world/6456/41 "2022-04-17T21:17:55Z")
So bazbot. You have an Apple phone. What TV you have? Laptop? [Previous page](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-fall-of-western-hegemony-and-the-transition-to-a-multipolar-world/6456.md?page=1) [Next page](https://www.sotonians.com/t/the-fall-of-western-hegemony-and-the-transition-to-a-multipolar-world/6456.md?page=3)