# 💰 ⬆ Tax increase to pay for Social Care **URL:** \ **Category:** Reasonably serious discussion\ **Created:** [22 January 2017 19:49 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/tax-increase-to-pay-for-social-care/614 "2017-01-22T19:49:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Numptyboi](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/numptyboi/32/25_2.png) [@Numptyboi](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Numptyboi)\ **Post date:** [8 September 2021 08:41 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/tax-increase-to-pay-for-social-care/614/61 "2021-09-08T08:41:14Z")
Cue lots of relatives of Tory grandees registering community care set ups at Co House so they can cash in. Funding for outsourced care wont improve the lot of the 55 year old ex nurse who doesn’t get paid for travelling between appointments, has to provide her own vehicle and fuel and gets slightly above min wage. But it will pay for a second home in the Caribbean for the Ministers nephew via some nice divi’s. Anyone who thinks this shower of shit Government will a) implement a fair and just system of wholesale benefit for all with particular focus on those who need it most b) spend any increased revenue wisely and not just chuck it into the big NHS pot and say “there you go” c) not fuck about with it in the future for their own gain, is sadly deluded. IMHO of course. ---
**Author:** ![Numptyboi](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/numptyboi/32/25_2.png) [@Numptyboi](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Numptyboi)\ **Post date:** [8 September 2021 08:47 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/tax-increase-to-pay-for-social-care/614/62 "2021-09-08T08:47:24Z")
I’m quietly shocked at how the young are accepting of the oldies fucking everything up for them. All the benefit of creating a housing market that has been left to run wild for their own gain, the abandonment of free education, the uncertainty of a shitty job market (when there used to be jobs for life) and increasing the retirement age. Now having to pay paying extra for the care of the buggers too. I’m no socialist but the pendulum has swung too far and i feel sorry you youngsters just starting out. Not a criticism in any way of you guys as we’ve all got to get on the treadmill and do what we do, but you’ve certainly got the shitty end of the stick. ---
**Author:** ![JxgrSaint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/jxgrsaint/32/109_2.png) [@JxgrSaint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/JxgrSaint)\ **Post date:** [8 September 2021 08:57 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/tax-increase-to-pay-for-social-care/614/63 "2021-09-08T08:57:17Z")
Yeah it’s annoying but there’s not really any chance we don’t have a Tory government even if everyone 18-35 voted Labour as it is, and with Scotland likely off too it’ll take a very long time (not that they’d be guaranteed to be any better tbf). Talking to Mum about it she was upset when she was my age about Grandma’s generation fucking everything up and they felt disadvantaged not being able to get final salary pensions etc. Conveniently ignoring that Mum was able to buy a 3 bed house in Putney when she was 30 for under £85k that would now cost £1.2m. Really feels a bit pointless atm as society just takes the young for granted and does nothing to advance our interests but gives the world to the blue rinse brigade. Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose… ---
**Author:** ![WorzelScummage](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/worzelscummage/32/73175_2.png) [@WorzelScummage](https://www.sotonians.com/u/WorzelScummage)\ **Post date:** [8 September 2021 09:07 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/tax-increase-to-pay-for-social-care/614/64 "2021-09-08T09:07:56Z")
The interest is ridiculous considering how low interest rates are at the moment. Student loans should be tax free, without a shadow of a doubt. ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [8 September 2021 09:43 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/tax-increase-to-pay-for-social-care/614/65 "2021-09-08T09:43:46Z")
I think I said a few years ago that I’m surprised they haven’t stabbed us in our sleep. The last time youngsters had a genuinely good deal was the early 1980s, probably too good a deal as it turned out. I remember both of my aunties getting married within a couple of weeks of each other in 1982 and both were offered council flats in the city. Both families were able to live well while building for the future. The council house giveaway really helped one of them. Since then, it has been getting progressively worse. Higher education was simultaneously promoted as desirable for about 50% of our youngsters and turned into a cash cow, so even if you get a degree and a higher paying job, it’s years before you can start looking at a clean slate or a house, etc. ---
**Author:** ![CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cb-saint/32/95251_2.png) [@CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/CB-Saint)\ **Post date:** [8 September 2021 15:53 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/tax-increase-to-pay-for-social-care/614/66 "2021-09-08T15:53:26Z")
The higher education thing really sucks - ÂŁ9k a year for some shit house degree from some shit house ex poly??? All the while the shit house ex poly is building state of the art buildings and paying the vice chancellor ÂŁ400k pa ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [8 September 2021 15:54 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/tax-increase-to-pay-for-social-care/614/67 "2021-09-08T15:54:34Z")
Well it was your mate Ken Clarke that equalised everything into a Uni. A necessary step before commoditising everything. ---
**Author:** ![CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cb-saint/32/95251_2.png) [@CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/CB-Saint)\ **Post date:** [8 September 2021 15:55 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/tax-increase-to-pay-for-social-care/614/68 "2021-09-08T15:55:35Z")
Fucking shit idea then and fucking shit idea now ---
**Author:** ![CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cb-saint/32/95251_2.png) [@CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/CB-Saint)\ **Post date:** [8 September 2021 18:36 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/tax-increase-to-pay-for-social-care/614/69 "2021-09-08T18:36:51Z")
We have the surreal situation where Tories are proposing tax rises to pay for increased social care spending and Labour opposing it What is going on?? ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [8 September 2021 18:52 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/tax-increase-to-pay-for-social-care/614/70 "2021-09-08T18:52:29Z")
Cunting Tories > **[Social care tax rise: Boris Johnson wins Commons vote](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58492169)** > > Boris Johnson wins a House of Commons vote on his plan to increase National Insurance tax. I generally don’t think Ill of people, but I’ve become totally intolerant of Johnson and his cronies in recent years 🤬 ---
**Author:** ![JxgrSaint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/jxgrsaint/32/109_2.png) [@JxgrSaint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/JxgrSaint)\ **Post date:** [9 September 2021 09:13 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/tax-increase-to-pay-for-social-care/614/71 "2021-09-09T09:13:45Z")
I think it’s fair that Labour take a stance against a highly regressive tax when the Tories are ignoring other means of raising the money needed: > **[Amazon pays £492m in UK tax as sales hit £20.6bn - BBC News](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58485816.amp)** > > The online retail giant saw UK sales rise by 50% last year amid a Covid-driven hike in demand. > **[Google UK pays just £50m of tax on revenues totalling £1.8bn, while staff are...](https://inews.co.uk/news/google-uk-pays-just-50m-of-tax-on-revenues-totalling-1-8bn-966557/amp)** > > The £50m payment follows years of controversy around the tech company’s tax arrangements > **[Apple's two UK divisions pay just £9m in UK corporation tax as sales top £1.1bn](https://www.cityam.com/apple-pays-just-9m-in-uk-tax-as-sales-top-1-1bn/amp/)** > > Apple paid just £9m in tax in the UK last year even as the tech giant weathered the pandemic to pull in sales of more than £1.1bn. These 3 companies alone should be paying £4.47bn in Corporation Tax rather than £0.55bn ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [9 September 2021 09:30 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/tax-increase-to-pay-for-social-care/614/72 "2021-09-09T09:30:58Z")
Maybe the Tories need to amend the rules around tax on corporations as they only pay what is legally required? Perhaps pigs might fly too. ---
**Author:** ![CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cb-saint/32/95251_2.png) [@CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/CB-Saint)\ **Post date:** [9 September 2021 10:17 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/tax-increase-to-pay-for-social-care/614/73 "2021-09-09T10:17:42Z")
I get your sentiment albeit your sums are a little over optimistic - corporate tax take is based of profits not sales The real crime is that they don’t pay VAT ---
**Author:** ![CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cb-saint/32/95251_2.png) [@CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/CB-Saint)\ **Post date:** [9 September 2021 11:17 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/tax-increase-to-pay-for-social-care/614/74 "2021-09-09T11:17:03Z")
And so it starts 42 integrated care bodies are being created - each have a CEO currently being advertised at between £225 and £270k pa - that’s £9m right there plus no doubt they will need an entire C-suite each so that’s another £50m pa This is what boils my piss about giving up more taxes - it’s not so much the fact I have to pay the tax, it’s what the useless cunts spend it on ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [9 September 2021 11:26 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/tax-increase-to-pay-for-social-care/614/75 "2021-09-09T11:26:23Z")
But wasn’t this in the pipeline from earlier this year - seem to remember reading something about 42 integrated care bodies for Engerland, or is it they’re now recruiting? ---
**Author:** ![CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cb-saint/32/95251_2.png) [@CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/CB-Saint)\ **Post date:** [9 September 2021 11:36 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/tax-increase-to-pay-for-social-care/614/76 "2021-09-09T11:36:13Z")
They are recruiting now. ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [10 September 2021 23:58 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/tax-increase-to-pay-for-social-care/614/77 "2021-09-10T23:58:39Z")
Growing balls ? > **[Tax on landlords could pay for social care, says Keir Starmer](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58516799)** > > The Labour leader responds to the PM's plan to raise taxes to pay for the NHS and social care. ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [12 September 2021 13:38 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/tax-increase-to-pay-for-social-care/614/78 "2021-09-12T13:38:31Z")
Even HMRC aren’t on board > **[Health tax could increase family breakdown, tax authority warns](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58536118)** > > The UK's tax authority says a National Insurance hike will also have a "significant" impact on firms. Another poorly thought out “initiative” then? [Previous page](https://www.sotonians.com/t/tax-increase-to-pay-for-social-care/614.md?page=3)