# 🇸🇾 Syria **URL:** \ **Category:** Reasonably serious discussion\ **Created:** [6 November 2015 23:32 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/syria/3281 "2015-11-06T23:32:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/polski_filip/32/75318_2.png) [@Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Polski_Filip)\ **Post date:** [27 October 2017 05:48 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/syria/3281/481 "2017-10-27T05:48:20Z")
A cynic would say… Just as Syria stands on the cusp of eliminating IS and has started to establish an infrastructure that could help the nation rebuild, the West starts finding evidence that would let them “take direct action” against Assad and blast the remainder of the country back to the stone age. Because that’s what their mates in Israel want then they can follow that up by starting on Iran IF there is a case to answer on Chemical Weapons then let the country stabilise first and then follow due legal process & the Hague can deal with it. Do not destroy the only chance of starting to find a lasting solution now ---
**Author:** ![Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/polski_filip/32/75318_2.png) [@Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Polski_Filip)\ **Post date:** [27 October 2017 05:51 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/syria/3281/482 "2017-10-27T05:51:30Z")
The UN are confident. wtf does that mean? 52% of Brita were confident about Brexit. Many of you on the match day thread are confident about us beating Brighton. May was confident about calling an election Etc ---
**Author:** ![Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/polski_filip/32/75318_2.png) [@Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Polski_Filip)\ **Post date:** [12 November 2017 06:52 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/syria/3281/483 "2017-11-12T06:52:54Z")
Thought I’d post this in here. A lot has been going on don here of late, and this article sums up the Guradian’s analysis. I won’t comment on that. > **[Tension mounts in Lebanon as Saudi Arabia escalates power struggle with Iran](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/11/lebanon-saudi-arabia-iran--power-struggle-saad-hariri-resignation)** > > The resignation of prime minister Saad Hariri is the latest shot in a regional crisis What is true is that Iraq WAS the balance in the web down here and the US did drop an almighty clanger. Now more than anything this part of the world stands to be somewhere to keep an eye on. What I would say is how much of this stuff has happened SINCE Trump visited Saudi, but no I won’t speculate. Even more dangerous times. ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [12 November 2017 10:51 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/syria/3281/484 "2017-11-12T10:51:12Z")
I suppose that in Tango Man’s mind a war will be fine as it’ll be two branches of Islam killing each other - so fewer terrorists to bomb the west. Suspect we’ll be drawn in to it - on the Saudi side - especially as we have that clown BoJo looking after our foreign interests. ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [12 November 2017 11:44 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/syria/3281/485 "2017-11-12T11:44:57Z")
From what I have read neither the US nor Israel are keen on war in Lebanon. I would be more worried if I was living in Qatar. The crown Prince will want to flex some muscle and having bombed the fuck out of Yemen I reckon the tanks could have a run out in Qatar. ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [13 November 2017 19:24 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/syria/3281/486 "2017-11-13T19:24:40Z")
Would have been nice of the Beeb to credit RT as they’ve been banging on about this for ages. > **[Raqqa's dirty secret - BBC News](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/raqqas_dirty_secret)** > > The BBC has uncovered details of a secret deal that let hundreds of IS fighters – including foreign militants - and their families escape from Raqqa in Syria. In exchange for freeing hostages, a convoy which stretched for miles, was able to leave the... ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [4 December 2017 07:11 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/syria/3281/487 "2017-12-04T07:11:09Z")
You would hope that your tax is being spent wisely. Maybe on the NHS, schooling or something eh? :lou_facepalm_2: > **[UK aid 'diverted to Syria extremists'](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42217132)** > > A foreign aid scheme is suspended by the government, following a BBC Panorama investigation. ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [4 December 2017 08:11 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/syria/3281/488 "2017-12-04T08:11:49Z")
Let’s not forget that Priti Patel had \_agreed \_to \_fund \_the \_Israeli Defence Force \_in _occupied terrority_, not least because it makes this easier to swallow. ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [4 December 2017 21:35 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/syria/3281/489 "2017-12-04T21:35:23Z")
I guess one man’s extremist’ is another man’s freedom fighter. Personally I think we tend to forget that when it comes to Israel in the occupied territories but the mainstream media doesn’t like to put it that way. ---
**Author:** ![Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/polski_filip/32/75318_2.png) [@Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Polski_Filip)\ **Post date:** [21 January 2018 08:27 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/syria/3281/490 "2018-01-21T08:27:19Z")
Yep about covers it Particularly the last line > **[The next phase in this unending tragedy could prove even more dangerous |...](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/21/observer-view-war-in-syria)** > > The next phase in this intractable and bloody tragedy could prove the most dangerous yet ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [21 January 2018 10:12 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/syria/3281/491 "2018-01-21T10:12:51Z")
That article mentions nothing of Russia being in Syria at the request of the legitimate Syrian Government. Nor of the Western (UK/US/EU) support for terrorist (read moderate) opposition groups. It mentions the Russian/Assad bombing of Idlib but does not say that it was US forces which supervised the withdrawal of Nusra Front/Al Quaida fighters from Aleppo and elsewhere to Idlib. There is no mention of regime change which is what it’s about. ---
**Author:** ![Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/polski_filip/32/75318_2.png) [@Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Polski_Filip)\ **Post date:** [21 January 2018 11:52 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/syria/3281/492 "2018-01-21T11:52:44Z")
Which, considering it is from the usually Left leaning Grauniad is odd. But the final line is still much pretty much the case. Other tales emerging now from Tunisia about how Regime Change there is failing the population and protests are again spreading. All around the same time I’ve been asked to prepare a synopsis for a Paper at a high end Academic Uni conference in EU later in the year about conflict. me? Academic? I can’t even use a spell checker properly ---
**Author:** ![Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/polski_filip/32/75318_2.png) [@Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Polski_Filip)\ **Post date:** [21 January 2018 11:54 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/syria/3281/493 "2018-01-21T11:54:42Z")
And the cluster fvck continues How the US has managed to end up on the other side of one of their most important allies :lou_facepalm_2: > **[Turkey starts ground incursion into Kurdish-controlled Afrin in Syria](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/21/turkey-starts-ground-incursion-into-kurdish-controlled-afrin-in-syria)** > > Move follows intense aerial bombardment of enclave, with Kurdish militias shelling Turkish border province in response ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [8 February 2018 21:17 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/syria/3281/494 "2018-02-08T21:17:05Z")
I have just been reading an account (by Robert Fisk) of the suffering of civilians (and particularly children with various cancers caused by the use of depleted unranium shells) in Iraq. It paints a pretty bleak picture of how the US and allies sacrificed innocents to promote regime change. I’ll pop a review in the What are you reading thread sometime but in the meantime, whilst reading about today’s ‘self-defence’ US bombing raid in Syria, I came across this: > **[The Terrorism We Support in Syria: A First-hand Account of the Use of Mortars...](https://zeroanthropology.net/2014/09/11/the-terrorism-we-support-in-syria-a-first-hand-account-of-the-use-of-mortars-against-civilians/)** > > By Eva Bartlett In stark contrast to the sparse coverage of the brutality of ISIS and other terrorist groups in Syria over the past few years, there has recently been substantial coverage of the em… ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [10 February 2018 20:24 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/syria/3281/495 "2018-02-10T20:24:57Z")
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**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [10 February 2018 20:45 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/syria/3281/496 "2018-02-10T20:45:33Z")
Personally I just call them deluded murderers. Works for me every time. ---
**Author:** ![Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saint-or-sinner/32/64280_2.png) [@Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Saint-or-sinner)\ **Post date:** [10 February 2018 22:08 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/syria/3281/497 "2018-02-10T22:08:10Z")
Can we include Western governments and the terrorist state(Israel) in that description? These people were small scale, but our western (and terrorist) governments, like the beatles, dealt in millions. We are the ones that starve and burn innocent women and children on an industrial scale and have been doing since we discovered what they have and we desperately need, to keep our unsustainable, ecosystem destroying lives, in the deluded bubble we presently live in. Syria(all for a pipeline) and Yemen are hideous cases, but then look at Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya(what was the real reason behind that one?), Palestine(what’s left) and particularly for me, Gaza(what’s abundant just off the coast line?). The whole western system is a lesson in total addiction to murder and destruction(as long as it’s not on our doorstep), so addictive that we can’t even start to think about the change(scientifically proven beyond doubt) that’s coming whether we like it or not, so we keep on burning women, children and life itself, all because we like the easy life and are too conceited to admit what’s inevitably coming to our own doorstep. ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [11 February 2018 00:48 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/syria/3281/498 "2018-02-11T00:48:00Z")
Indeed. Just study the Gulf war (the real Gulf war, the one between Iraq and Iran 80-89 ish). A war in which the US + alllies supported Saddam against Iran. Sold him billions of dollars/pounds of weapons… A war in which Saddam invaded Iran. Used chemicals (bought from Germany) against Iranians . Flew French Mirage jets targetted by US battlefield satellite intelligence. We have no moral high ground in the middle east or anywhere else. ---
**Author:** ![Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saint-or-sinner/32/64280_2.png) [@Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Saint-or-sinner)\ **Post date:** [11 February 2018 01:05 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/syria/3281/499 "2018-02-11T01:05:30Z")
Go back 100 years even and what do you find? The Sykes-Picot Agreement. We are insatiable in our desire for energy, at whatever the self destructive cost. ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [11 February 2018 11:03 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/syria/3281/500 "2018-02-11T11:03:31Z")
Or earlier to 1908 when BP was born as the Anglo-Persian Oil Company. [Previous page](https://www.sotonians.com/t/syria/3281.md?page=24) [Next page](https://www.sotonians.com/t/syria/3281.md?page=26)