# Sweden and DEnmark tighten their borders? **URL:** \ **Category:** Reasonably serious discussion\ **Created:** [4 January 2016 13:06 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/sweden-and-denmark-tighten-their-borders/1929 "2016-01-04T13:06:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [4 January 2016 13:06 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/sweden-and-denmark-tighten-their-borders/1929/1 "2016-01-04T13:06:22Z")
## Code for let too many people in and now want the electorate to re elect them later on, Germany will be next and then we can back to the debate of actually controlling borders and self determination, all good. ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [4 January 2016 23:57 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/sweden-and-denmark-tighten-their-borders/1929/2 "2016-01-04T23:57:19Z")
Belting thread this,if I did one on wholemeal thrush bread it would go down a storm. ---
**Author:** ![Bucks](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/bucks/32/87_2.png) [@Bucks](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Bucks)\ **Post date:** [5 January 2016 00:05 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/sweden-and-denmark-tighten-their-borders/1929/3 "2016-01-05T00:05:16Z")
Has this stopped you emigrating? ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [5 January 2016 00:08 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/sweden-and-denmark-tighten-their-borders/1929/4 "2016-01-05T00:08:43Z")
I am outraged so I am staying put. ---
**Author:** ![BTripz](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/btripz/32/75839_2.png) [@BTripz](https://www.sotonians.com/u/BTripz)\ **Post date:** [5 January 2016 09:49 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/sweden-and-denmark-tighten-their-borders/1929/5 "2016-01-05T09:49:53Z")
Put some meat on the bones Bazza otherwise we have nothing to debate upon, a link or some precis of what they are doing would help!! ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [5 January 2016 10:27 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/sweden-and-denmark-tighten-their-borders/1929/6 "2016-01-05T10:27:20Z")
The fact Denmark and Sweden are breaking their obligations by asking for passports is worth a discussion, the fact its being quietly swept under the carpet for supposed unity is another, this farce of a European Union can not end soon enough, we all still have National interests at heart and not European ones, how can we? ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [5 January 2016 10:28 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/sweden-and-denmark-tighten-their-borders/1929/7 "2016-01-05T10:28:03Z")
> **[The end of Schengen?](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-end-of-schengen-restrictions-by-denmark-and-sweden-are-threatening-europes-passport-free-zone-a6796696.html)** > > As Sweden and Denmark demand ID to travel between their nations for the first time in 50 years and four other passport-free countries reintroduce checks, the EU’s open border faces its biggest threat yet ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [5 January 2016 11:15 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/sweden-and-denmark-tighten-their-borders/1929/8 "2016-01-05T11:15:29Z")
I see people like Barry getting worried about people crossing borders, etc, and I wonder if we’ve learned much at all. While I’ve sympathy for the idea of the EU as a de facto empire, those aren’t really the concerns enumerated by most people concerned about the EU. They care about the negative and often small-time concerns, such as immigration, fears about social cohesion (even if they wouldn’t describe it as such) and the pressures that unchecked immigration place on an already straining system. There’s a lot of validity in that too; I just don’t really agree with the solutions. The EU, even in its current form, could do a lot more to recognise and help member states with the demand. Europe has been a continent of empire for millennia. The number, composition and ownership of those empires change, but some of the most peaceful times the continent has experienced coincided with the existence of an empire in its golden age. We’re now seventy years without a general war in Europe. Undoubtedly, memories of recent destruction and Cold War tensions stiffened the resolve for peace, but I think the EU deserves a lot of credit for what it achieved, especially after 1989 in bridging a divided continent. So yeah, it’s an empire, but one could argue that Europe needs an empire for stability. The last time the nation state thing was tried in the inter-war years, it resulted in too many countries having no security whatsoever. People tried to create empires anyway. The EU isn’t perfect; the anti-democratic stuff needs sorting, but the general principle of being able to live, work and move freely anywhere in this continent is a fantastic achievement; unthinkable even during parts of my relatively short lifetime. Hitchens reckons if you don’t run your own empire, you’re part of somebody else’s. I’d sooner throw in with the EU than become part of the US, Chinese or Saudi Arabia’s. ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [5 January 2016 11:40 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/sweden-and-denmark-tighten-their-borders/1929/9 "2016-01-05T11:40:29Z")
Europe is dying and no experiment of an illusion of a European Empire will hide that. Its close you eyes, ears time and deny it is and say all in the garden is rosy or rosier than if we simply all traded with the World as that’s what we are going to do anyway. ---
**Author:** ![BTripz](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/btripz/32/75839_2.png) [@BTripz](https://www.sotonians.com/u/BTripz)\ **Post date:** [5 January 2016 12:20 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/sweden-and-denmark-tighten-their-borders/1929/10 "2016-01-05T12:20:59Z")
According to that article you linked the Nordic Council have had open borders since 1945 which has now ended. However this is probably easier to maintain as the Nordic countries have more in common with each other. Europe, as an empire, doesn’t really work because the main countries in it are too diverse and have strong identities. The EEC is probably where a Unites States of Europe should have stopped. ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [5 January 2016 12:24 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/sweden-and-denmark-tighten-their-borders/1929/11 "2016-01-05T12:24:41Z")
Depends on how you look at it. ![](https://discourse-sotonians-uploads.s3.dualstack.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/original/3X/2/e/2eec3bfbdabee4d0ee22fc2dc7ed997e09dfc439.png) ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [5 January 2016 12:55 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/sweden-and-denmark-tighten-their-borders/1929/12 "2016-01-05T12:55:32Z")
Where will the cheap labour come from though? ---
**Author:** ![KRG](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/krg/32/1061_2.png) [@KRG](https://www.sotonians.com/u/KRG)\ **Post date:** [5 January 2016 14:51 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/sweden-and-denmark-tighten-their-borders/1929/13 "2016-01-05T14:51:22Z")
![](https://discourse-sotonians-uploads.s3.dualstack.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/original/3X/d/8/d86963a0ad76dbe668757b72d50aa0ef0fa1af2b.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [5 January 2016 16:57 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/sweden-and-denmark-tighten-their-borders/1929/14 "2016-01-05T16:57:48Z")
> **[Gang assaults on women shock Cologne](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35231046)** > > Cologne's mayor calls crisis talks with police after about 80 women reported sexual assaults and mugging by men on New Year's Eve. Interesting and horrific if true.