# 🇻🇪 Same old story in Venezuela? **URL:** \ **Category:** Reasonably serious discussion\ **Created:** [4 August 2017 19:50 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526 "2017-08-04T19:50:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 18:29 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/63 "2019-01-28T18:29:54Z")
Ukrainian self determination? Georgia? Of course I believe in the right of self determination, let the people have a vote. ---
**Author:** ![Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saint-or-sinner/32/64280_2.png) [@Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Saint-or-sinner)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 18:38 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/64 "2019-01-28T18:38:14Z")
The Venezuelans did. The west is quite clearly wrong and has no respect for democracy. Glad we agree on that. ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 18:55 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/65 "2019-01-28T18:55:17Z")
> **[Attempted Coup in Venezuela with Abby Martin, Greg Wilpert, Paul Jay](https://therealnews.com/stories/attempted-coup-in-venezuela-with-abby-martin-greg-wilpert-paul-jay)** > > Sharmini Peries hosts a wide ranging conversation about the US backed attempted coup in Venezuela ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 19:26 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/66 "2019-01-28T19:26:46Z")
Just move to somewhere where your ideals are more aligned. ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 19:33 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/67 "2019-01-28T19:33:57Z")
Off to Ukraine are you? ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 19:52 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/68 "2019-01-28T19:52:32Z")
Not my cup of tea, progressive v’s nationalist’s, I’ll only live where I’d like to, I like the UK, do you? You don’t appear to. ---
**Author:** ![Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saint-or-sinner/32/64280_2.png) [@Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Saint-or-sinner)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 19:56 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/69 "2019-01-28T19:56:57Z")
Are you saying this is no longer a country for someone that believes in democracy and self determination? That is all i have asked. You seem to have changed your mind though. That’s the problem you’ll always face, blindly following the propaganda, because it’s all over the place. ---
**Author:** ![Nottarf-Krap](https://www.sotonians.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/8baadc/32.png) [@Nottarf-Krap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Nottarf-Krap)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 19:57 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/70 "2019-01-28T19:57:09Z")
A couple of stories today in the Guardian, i realise that this is a tin foil hat site, but it is very enlightening as to what really matters to the powers that be who are driving the agenda re the ongoing events in Venezuela.Bear in mind that the recipient of the 1.2 billion in gold reserves has never stood for election, (boycotted them because he knew he would lose miserably). > **[Bank of England urged to give Juan Guaidó Venezuela's gold](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/28/juan-guaido-bank-england-urged-give-venezuela-gold-reserve-interim-leader-rather-than-nicolas-maduro)** > > Interim leader has asked UK to send £1.2bn reserves to him rather than Nicolás Maduro The other one is an opinion piece from a gentleman who teaches human rights and philosophy at the University of London, who admittedly has a foreign sounding name and therefore is probably suspect, obviously a Commie who has been given a platform by the Tin Foil Hatters at the Manchester Guardian. But he seems to know what he’s talking about. > **[What has happened in Venezuela is a coup. Trump’s denial is dangerous | Oscar...](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/28/venezuela-coup-trump-juan-guaido)** > > The US and rightwing regimes may seek an excuse to intervene in Guaidó’s support, says Oscar Guardiola-Rivera, who teaches at Birkbeck College ---
**Author:** ![gavstar](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/gavstar/32/86128_2.png) [@gavstar](https://www.sotonians.com/u/gavstar)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 19:57 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/71 "2019-01-28T19:57:53Z")
> [@Barry-Sanchez](#): > > I like the UK Even the South bit? :lou_wink_2: ---
**Author:** ![Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saint-or-sinner/32/64280_2.png) [@Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Saint-or-sinner)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 20:00 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/72 "2019-01-28T20:00:13Z")
> [@Nottarf-Krap](#): > > .Bear in mind that the recipient of the 1.2 billion in gold reserves has never stood for election, (boycotted them because he knew he would lose miserably This the funny bit. The election was called early. Can you guess on whose demand? ---
**Author:** ![Nottarf-Krap](https://www.sotonians.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/8baadc/32.png) [@Nottarf-Krap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Nottarf-Krap)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 20:01 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/73 "2019-01-28T20:01:27Z")
Of course you don’t. At least have the courage of your convictions and admit it, hypocrisy is never a nice look. ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 20:33 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/74 "2019-01-28T20:33:18Z")
I am saying that, Manduro can easily rectify this by having a vote, the question marks over the previous one require this. This is easy to follow. ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 20:37 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/75 "2019-01-28T20:37:39Z")
pourquio? ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 20:49 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/76 "2019-01-28T20:49:38Z")
I love the UK. It’s just some of the cunts in it. ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 20:50 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/77 "2019-01-28T20:50:20Z")
Well by your bleatin’ I’d say you’re outnumbered son. ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 20:51 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/78 "2019-01-28T20:51:59Z")
My bleating? lol. ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 20:54 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/79 "2019-01-28T20:54:26Z")
Hmmmmm, not about the oil at all > **[US targets 'corrupt' Venezuela oil firm](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47036491)** > > The US places sanctions on PDVSA and urges the military to back a peaceful power transfer. ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 20:58 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/80 "2019-01-28T20:58:02Z")
Probably is, our most basic needs are riddled in corruption. ---
**Author:** ![Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saint-or-sinner/32/64280_2.png) [@Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Saint-or-sinner)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 21:07 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/81 "2019-01-28T21:07:04Z")
No, what you say makes no sense. The puttet, demanded an election, got one, then realised everyone knew he was a capitalist puttet, so had to pull, as to not fully destroy the miniscule amount of legitimacy he’s clinging to and the propaganda you swallow whole. There are no question marks, apart from over the head of the puppet and murderers. The easy thing to follow, is that anyone that doesn’t denounce this blatant, anti democratic, attempt at removing a democratically elected leader(has it been a year yet since the puppet demanded an election?), does not believe in the will of the people, or democracy in any true form. ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 21:08 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/82 "2019-01-28T21:08:43Z")
Surely if the US has to take in so many economic migrants they can seek reform and change in the Country the migrants are coming from? [Previous page](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526.md?page=3) [Next page](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526.md?page=5)