# 🇻🇪 Same old story in Venezuela? **URL:** \ **Category:** Reasonably serious discussion\ **Created:** [4 August 2017 19:50 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526 "2017-08-04T19:50:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 06:39 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/42 "2019-01-28T06:39:00Z")
Like the EU? Why is has he been recognised as the interim president? Why do Australia now see him as president? You’re swinging at thin air and mock shock indignation for a failed state and it has been for years is laughable, if it were a stable state this wouldn’t be happening. I’m now expecting long winded quotes from a man in a batcave in Arkansas to back up a coup. Regime change is the word you’re looking for and that happens everywhere, can to comment on Soviet regime change and the stoking up of tensions in areas they want to control for their nations security buffer? Georgia? ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 06:44 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/43 "2019-01-28T06:44:41Z")
Back on topic please bazza. So you see it’s all about regime change and you’re good with that? I’m not saying Maduro is a wonderful leader but he was elected in free, fair and transparent elections. What the fuck has it got to do with the US, the EU or anyone else? ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 06:48 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/44 "2019-01-28T06:48:57Z")
No I not naive enough to know it doesn’t happen, it happens everywhere. Why haven’t Russia, Cuba and Turkey come out and helped? If you condemn this you have to condemn all of Russia’s puppet training and regime changes its sponsored all over its ex satellite states. Thats even, balanced and fair. ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 06:50 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/45 "2019-01-28T06:50:49Z")
Back on topic with your whataboutery. [https://twitter.com/RichardBurgon/status/1089620500882558976](https://twitter.com/RichardBurgon/status/1089620500882558976) All tinfoil hatters obviously. ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 06:53 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/46 "2019-01-28T06:53:04Z")
No you’re talking about a paid coup when these want mediation, huge difference. Still not answering about your Russian pals? Surprise… ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 07:21 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/47 "2019-01-28T07:21:50Z")
It’s about Venezuela Barry - not Russia. Keep on topic. ---
**Author:** ![Intiniki](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/intiniki/32/9_2.png) [@Intiniki](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Intiniki)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 07:28 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/48 "2019-01-28T07:28:17Z")
They’re not. A lot are in Colombia, Ecuador and Brazil. We know from many countries where there’s an exodus that they end up in neighbouring countries. Ecuador is going to crack down on this as Venezuelan man killed his Ecuadorian partner. They may go to the USA as they have family there. When Chavez came in many wealthy Venezuelans left then. A bit like in Cuba they went to USA. Did you watch goatboy video? Or are you just going to argue a different side just for fun? ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 07:28 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/49 "2019-01-28T07:28:46Z")
You can’t ignore what others have done though. ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 07:41 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/50 "2019-01-28T07:41:47Z")
Why is that relevant to Venezuela though? ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 07:46 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/51 "2019-01-28T07:46:33Z")
Why does every thread have to be polluted by your rampant russophobia Barry? ---
**Author:** ![Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saint-or-sinner/32/64280_2.png) [@Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Saint-or-sinner)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 08:33 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/52 "2019-01-28T08:33:06Z")
Have a sweepstake. How many times on a thread not about Russia, will Barry mention Russia in a single day? I’ll go for a dozen. This article could be written about him. > **[Top 5 Dumbest Arguments Defending Trump’s Venezuela Interventionism](https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2019/01/26/top-5-dumbest-arguments-defending-trumps-venezuela-interventionism/)** > > Ever since the Trump administration announced that it was no longer recognizing the legitimacy of the elected government of Venezuela I’ve been arguing with people on social media about this … ---
**Author:** ![Simon-says](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/simon-says/32/133_2.png) [@Simon-says](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Simon-says)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 09:41 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/53 "2019-01-28T09:41:47Z")
I don’t usually stray far from the Saints threads on here but this Venezuela shite has forced my hand. I highly recommend people read this book if they want an insight in to what is happening before us and why. It is a real eye opener. [https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1626566747/ref=dp\_ob\_neva\_mobile](https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1626566747/ref=dp_ob_neva_mobile) If reading ain’t your thing then have a gander at this video. [![](https://discourse-sotonians-uploads.s3.dualstack.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/original/3X/8/0/8007236519577eb6de8ead4a36bce733866d507a.jpeg "Confessions of an Economic Hitman - John Perkins | Short Documentary") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWuAct1BxHU) ---
**Author:** ![Nottarf-Krap](https://www.sotonians.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/8baadc/32.png) [@Nottarf-Krap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Nottarf-Krap)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 12:15 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/54 "2019-01-28T12:15:45Z")
So you are saying that Forbes magazine, founded in 1917, a global media company respected the world over for their expertise in business, investment, technology and entrepreneurship are a ‘tin foil hat site’? Jesus fucking wept Barry, the likes of Trump, Bonkers Bolton and the rest of them must get down on their knees every night and thank whichever God they pray to for gullible people like you. I believe the accepted phrase is ‘useful idiot’. ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 14:11 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/55 "2019-01-28T14:11:18Z")
Where have I said what the US administration is good? You’re all playing the poster and if you condemn one you have to condemn all otherwise you’re a hypocrite, this isn’t rocket science. ---
**Author:** ![Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saint-or-sinner/32/64280_2.png) [@Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Saint-or-sinner)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 14:45 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/56 "2019-01-28T14:45:34Z")
Do you agree with what the US, UK and various other warmongers, have said about the democratically elected leader of Venezuela and their false, undemocratic, claims about their puppet that refused to stand in elections? Basically, do you believe in democracy and the will of the people, or not? ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 15:06 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/57 "2019-01-28T15:06:38Z")
> [@Barry-Sanchez](#): > > Of course not but can you prove there is a US led coup? Anyone can post a tin foil website to prove anything from the earth is flat to Elvis lives amongst us, genuine proof, admission from someone in the Government would suffice. I think this is the post that we are ‘playing’ bazza. ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 15:13 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/58 "2019-01-28T15:13:16Z")
Batshit Bolton: [https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1089618457166036993](https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1089618457166036993) [https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1089569353421463554](https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1089569353421463554) ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 16:07 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/60 "2019-01-28T16:07:58Z")
[https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/1088954489963466752](https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/1088954489963466752) ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 16:19 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/61 "2019-01-28T16:19:00Z")
Of course I do. ---
**Author:** ![Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saint-or-sinner/32/64280_2.png) [@Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Saint-or-sinner)\ **Post date:** [28 January 2019 18:26 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/62 "2019-01-28T18:26:47Z")
You believe the lies of the west, or the right of Venezuelans to self determination, without any outside interference? [Previous page](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526.md?page=2) [Next page](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526.md?page=4)