# 🇻🇪 Same old story in Venezuela? **URL:** \ **Category:** Reasonably serious discussion\ **Created:** [4 August 2017 19:50 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526 "2017-08-04T19:50:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [1 May 2019 20:05 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/464 "2019-05-01T20:05:43Z")
Bazza’s back tearing a new one into the pro Russian’s and pro invaders. ---
**Author:** ![Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saint-or-sinner/32/64280_2.png) [@Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Saint-or-sinner)\ **Post date:** [1 May 2019 20:06 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/465 "2019-05-01T20:06:34Z")
Talking about Venezuela and illegal interference and you come out with this. > [@Barry-Sanchez](#): > > Still no answer, you must like the weather in Georgia and Crimea, if not I suppose you can build your own island in the South China Seas for convenience. And finish with this. > [@Barry-Sanchez](#): > > Keep on avoiding and deflecting son 😂😂😂 That’s wonderful Barry ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [1 May 2019 20:07 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/466 "2019-05-01T20:07:09Z")
To be fair Barry you do slag off RT so it’s interesting to see you relying on the said organ of mistruth to back up your argument ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [1 May 2019 20:07 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/467 "2019-05-01T20:07:45Z")
US backed? Is that similar to Russian backed invasion? The US has a history of giving back lands overseas concerning empire, Russia? Never got over the bumming it got by the States concerning the cold war, its puppet satellites all wanting to join the modern World and it can’t accept it. ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [1 May 2019 20:08 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/468 "2019-05-01T20:08:30Z")
Are you suggesting that it’s not US backed? What are you on? ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [1 May 2019 20:09 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/469 "2019-05-01T20:09:02Z")
I used that as if it came from there it must be true. ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [1 May 2019 20:10 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/470 "2019-05-01T20:10:04Z")
> **[Military truck runs over protesters in Venezuela; Trump threatens Cuban...](https://globalnews.ca/news/5221102/venezuela-protest-military-truck-crowd/)** > > The streets in Caracas, Venezuela have turned to into chaos Tuesday after a military vehicle drove directly into a crowd of protesters.  > **[Venezuela National Guard vehicle runs over protesters in Caracas: Reuters TV](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-base-vehicle/venezuela-national-guard-vehicle-runs-over-protesters-in-caracas-reuters-tv-idUSKCN1S61ZB)** > > A Venezuelan National Guard vehicle ran over protesters outside a military base in Caracas, who were throwing stones and hitting vehicles with sticks after opposition leader Juan Guaido called on members of the military to rise up, Reuters television... > **[Venezuelan protestors mowed down by armoured military truck](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/venezuela-news-coup-video-truck-run-over-protestors-guaido-maduro-caracas-a8893601.html)** > > It is unclear if any injuries or deaths resulted from the vehicles being driven through the protesters ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [1 May 2019 20:11 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/471 "2019-05-01T20:11:12Z")
There are many more, I merely used RT as if they’re showing it you know shit is bad and they’re the most biased bellends on the planet, they still think the Berlin Wall is up… ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [1 May 2019 20:12 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/472 "2019-05-01T20:12:12Z")
A one, two a sock and a pow, Batmanesque, the Ruskies don’t like it up them, come on Georgia! Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeddddddddddddddddommmmmmmmmmmmm! ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [1 May 2019 20:15 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/473 "2019-05-01T20:15:04Z")
Barry’s visit to New York obviously included another trip on the John Bolton magic bus. ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [1 May 2019 20:16 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/474 "2019-05-01T20:16:23Z")
Postakov and Gorky are getting a right pumping tonight… ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [1 May 2019 20:16 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/475 "2019-05-01T20:16:58Z")
He had some cracking tunes back in the day and his hair was lovely… ---
**Author:** ![Intiniki](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/intiniki/32/9_2.png) [@Intiniki](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Intiniki)\ **Post date:** [1 May 2019 20:55 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/476 "2019-05-01T20:55:45Z")
Yeah that’s not great is it? I’ve tried to find more detail on this incident. There doesn’t appear to be any deaths that I can find on line. One person did die from other injuries elsewhere (not even in Caracas) and witnesses say it was paramilitaries. ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [1 May 2019 21:37 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/477 "2019-05-01T21:37:52Z")
You can believe that everything the Government does is great as it fits in with your agenda and you’re lying to yourself or you can say the state murders everywhere, I prefer to think of the latter and acknowledge it whether it fits my narrative or not. ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [1 May 2019 21:46 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/478 "2019-05-01T21:46:03Z")
> **[Russia denies US claim it told Maduro not to flee Venezuela](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/01/russia-denies-us-claim-it-told-maduro-not-to-flee-venezuela)** > > Moscow says claim is part of information war as Caracas also issues denial Even with things like this there are truths and untruths to unpick, say you think the US is telling lies about a plane waiting to get them out to Cuba, sounds a valid thing to say as there are smoke and mirrors everywhere but what about this? There is an internal conflict in your own nation and you haven’t prepared to evacuate? Your own secret services haven’t planned for such an event? Now that is bullshit. I go with the %'s. ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [1 May 2019 21:49 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/479 "2019-05-01T21:49:43Z")
Not being funny, Baz, but you spent ages pumping up the notion of a Russian invasion of Crimea and repeatedly refused to answer how many people died during the Crimean invasion. The answer that you avoided, me old chap, is here. > Casualties and losses > 1 Crimean SDF trooper killed[[29]]\> ([Russian annexation of Crimea - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation#cite_note-30)) \* > 2 [Ukrainian] soldiers killed[[30]] > ([Russian annexation of Crimea - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation#cite_note-31)) > > - 60–80 soldiers detained[[31]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation#cite_note-32) > - 15,000 soldiers defected[[32]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation#cite_note-33)[[33]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation#cite_note-34) > 3 civilian deaths (2 pro-Russian and 1 pro-Ukrainian)[[34]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation#cite_note-RallyDeaths-35)[[35]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation#cite_note-36)[[36]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation#cite_note-37)[[37]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation#cite_note-censor-38)[_[better source needed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTRS)_ ] > **[Russian annexation of Crimea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation)** > > Based in Crimea,elements of: 11–12  > Navy > Deployed to Crimea, elements of You can’t take Wikipedia as gospel, obviously, especially when it declares that better sources are needed, but the answer to that burning question appears to be six. Is that really an invasion, skip? Is your blanket assessment of stuff that really ought to be assessed on a case by case basis justified? ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [1 May 2019 21:52 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/480 "2019-05-01T21:52:10Z")
So an invasion is only an invasion if people die? Am I actually reading that correctly? ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [1 May 2019 21:54 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/481 "2019-05-01T21:54:05Z")
Sudeten Crisis? You’re mixing with some fine fellows here for your weak example skip, I’d actually read some history if I were you. ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [1 May 2019 21:56 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/482 "2019-05-01T21:56:11Z")
The issue we have here if I may say so is people are blindly following without knowing, thats the game and World we live in now, play the %'s, truth doesn’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [2 May 2019 05:17 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526/483 "2019-05-02T05:17:08Z")
So it’s a matter of personal opinion. OK let’s just drop the crap and move on to another topic. It’s all getting tiresome [Previous page](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526.md?page=23) [Next page](https://www.sotonians.com/t/same-old-story-in-venezuela/526.md?page=25)