# :labour: 🌅 Red Dawn - Life Under Labour **URL:** \ **Category:** Reasonably serious discussion\ **Created:** [11 July 2024 13:55 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/red-dawn-life-under-labour/6989 "2024-07-11T13:55:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cb-saint/32/95251_2.png) [@CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/CB-Saint)\ **Post date:** [11 July 2024 13:55 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/red-dawn-life-under-labour/6989/1 "2024-07-11T13:55:32Z")
Red Ed has just overruled his officials and demanded that no new licences by granted to oil and gas companies, including those that are already in approval stage. Apparently there are 115 live bids which companies will have spent millions on preparing - Ed’s first decision is likely to cost the govt a lot of money in legal fees and compensation ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [11 July 2024 15:37 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/red-dawn-life-under-labour/6989/2 "2024-07-11T15:37:16Z")
In pretty every bid for goods and services I’ve ever been included in there is a clause saying that the request for proposals can be withdrawn at any time and any costs incurred in constructing a response are the responsibility of the bidder. Seems odd if there is a legal clause in the RFP documents saying the bidders can go full Tonto for their costs. ---
**Author:** ![CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cb-saint/32/95251_2.png) [@CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/CB-Saint)\ **Post date:** [11 July 2024 17:49 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/red-dawn-life-under-labour/6989/3 "2024-07-11T17:49:30Z")
I suspect given the enormous costs involved that is unlikely - but like the MoD contracts - we couldn’t get out of those aircraft carriers This is also civil service procurement we are dealing with - they are fuckwitts ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [11 July 2024 18:14 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/red-dawn-life-under-labour/6989/4 "2024-07-11T18:14:21Z")
> [@CB-Saint](#): > > This is also civil service procurement we are dealing with - they are fuckwitts I have experience of this. Simple things get unnecessarily complicated because they’re trying to put political decisions into practice and none of them know their arses from their elbows ---
**Author:** ![Map-of-Mauritania](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/map-of-mauritania/32/71321_2.png) [@Map-of-Mauritania](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Map-of-Mauritania)\ **Post date:** [11 July 2024 18:38 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/red-dawn-life-under-labour/6989/5 "2024-07-11T18:38:04Z")
Difference between a fully executed contract and invitation to bid on potential exploration sites. As Cobs says, any cost incurred in preparing a bid is unlikely to be reimbursed ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [11 July 2024 21:11 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/red-dawn-life-under-labour/6989/6 "2024-07-11T21:11:19Z")
Forget Labour for the moment, I’m more interested in seeing how this plays out. > **[Nigel Farage stirs tensions in Reform UK as he ousts deputies](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/11/nigel-farage-stirs-tensions-in-reform-uk-as-he-ousts-deputies)** > > Co-deputy Ben Habib ‘concerned about party control’ as Farage replaces him with MP Richard Tice ---
**Author:** ![CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cb-saint/32/95251_2.png) [@CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/CB-Saint)\ **Post date:** [12 July 2024 06:07 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/red-dawn-life-under-labour/6989/7 "2024-07-12T06:07:55Z")
Notice that all the new ministers are all saying the situation is much much worse that they had anticipated? Nice bit of groundwork for Kiers first major U turn as he puts taxes up (I bet it will include income tax and VAT) ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [12 July 2024 06:20 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/red-dawn-life-under-labour/6989/8 "2024-07-12T06:20:01Z")
To be fair, even Joe Public can see the Tories have left a complete and utter financial mess. Personally I have no beef if Labour have to raise taxes to fix said mess, as long as everyone pays… Not sure why people still worship at the Tory alter given their wrecking of the economy/ nation is there front and centre for all to see. Bizarre. 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [12 July 2024 06:22 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/red-dawn-life-under-labour/6989/9 "2024-07-12T06:22:41Z")
They could start making some savings here first - right on their doorstep > **[Food bank calls for end to subsidised ‘fine dining at meal deal prices’ for MPs](https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jul/12/food-bank-calls-for-end-to-subsidised-dining-for-mps)** > > Campaign aims to draw attention to millions spent on Commons catering despite millions using food banks ---
**Author:** ![CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cb-saint/32/95251_2.png) [@CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/CB-Saint)\ **Post date:** [12 July 2024 07:05 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/red-dawn-life-under-labour/6989/10 "2024-07-12T07:05:17Z")
The bars maybe, the thing with the catering is often they have to be there late into the night, and be present on site for votes etc Maybe they should address the working hours of Parliament, quite why they have to carryon until midnight is beyond me ---
**Author:** ![PhilippineSaint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/philippinesaint/32/3978_2.png) [@PhilippineSaint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/PhilippineSaint)\ **Post date:** [12 July 2024 07:07 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/red-dawn-life-under-labour/6989/11 "2024-07-12T07:07:01Z")
If they started at 8 instead of early afternoon ---
**Author:** ![CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cb-saint/32/95251_2.png) [@CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/CB-Saint)\ **Post date:** [12 July 2024 07:16 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/red-dawn-life-under-labour/6989/12 "2024-07-12T07:16:34Z")
Everyone won’t pay The low paid will be exempt due to personal allowances and the rich will work around it and the mega rich (that are still here) will go So it will those in the middle getting dumped on again This is also who the VAT on private school will hurt . The super rich will still send there kids to Eton and Harrow but those parent who make financial choices to send their kids to say KES will struggle to justify the cost, and a lot will go straight into the state system. The only winners will be the estate agents around high performing schools This is not so much about how much worse it was than Labour expected, it’s probably more about the fact that there headline tax raises in the election just won’t generate the levels of cash they promised ---
**Author:** ![CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cb-saint/32/95251_2.png) [@CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/CB-Saint)\ **Post date:** [12 July 2024 07:18 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/red-dawn-life-under-labour/6989/13 "2024-07-12T07:18:05Z")
It’s probably because they were up until midnight voting and then getting shit faced on cheap booze Reckon I would struggle to get up for 8 ---
**Author:** ![Numptyboi](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/numptyboi/32/25_2.png) [@Numptyboi](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Numptyboi)\ **Post date:** [12 July 2024 11:42 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/red-dawn-life-under-labour/6989/14 "2024-07-12T11:42:36Z")
Well, they’re not charities, despite the status, so they should pay VAT and business rates. And this will be the same KES whose income exceeded expenditure by £1.30m last year, £1.60m the year before and £1.13m the year before that. As well as having almost £47m of assets on the balance sheet as of 2023. Maybe they should appraise their fee structure to assist the notional few who will be affected by the change in status. I doubt it very much though. ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [12 July 2024 14:06 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/red-dawn-life-under-labour/6989/15 "2024-07-12T14:06:37Z")
My firm works with a number of independent schools. Some are genuinely struggling but a lot have plenty of money banked but plead poverty when it comes to paying our fees…. ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [12 July 2024 18:29 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/red-dawn-life-under-labour/6989/16 "2024-07-12T18:29:18Z")
A reason for putting a cap on the max age in the Lords and similar for the HoC? Most of the olds in the Lords will be tucked up in bed early doors anyway under the firm hand of “nursey” (gender of choice) ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [12 July 2024 21:33 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/red-dawn-life-under-labour/6989/17 "2024-07-12T21:33:37Z")
Some positives > **[After years of being gaslit by government, we civil servants can breathe...](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/12/civil-servants-gaslit-government-14-years-labour-keir-starmer)** > > Colleagues tell me how much they value Keir Starmer’s promise to treat us with respect. Above all, there is a profound sense of relief, says the secret civil servant Young Adult #2 joins the civil service fast track in Oct - having spoken to his assigned buddy/mentor I believe he’s quietly pleased about the change of regime, so things can hopefully start to get done - My personal opinion & No reflection on his personal politics obviously ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [12 July 2024 22:18 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/red-dawn-life-under-labour/6989/18 "2024-07-12T22:18:58Z")
Oh dear, them darned Reds under the bed > **[Keir Starmer commits to keeping BBC licence fee after years of Tory hostility](https://www.theguardian.com/media/article/2024/jul/12/keir-starmer-commits-to-keeping-bbc-licence-fee-after-years-of-tory-hostility)** > > Broadcaster suffered severe cuts under Conservatives, which reneged on inflation-linked deal The Tory haters who infest the BBC HYS comments will be apoplectic 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [12 July 2024 22:21 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/red-dawn-life-under-labour/6989/19 "2024-07-12T22:21:25Z")
Cor, so many Tory’s must be frothing at the mouth with this new life under Labour > **[Starmer sticks by promise of assisted dying free vote](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0857z0v5no)** > > The prime minister says he will allow a free vote if MPs want it, but it was not a government priority. ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [12 July 2024 23:20 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/red-dawn-life-under-labour/6989/20 "2024-07-12T23:20:24Z")
> **[The arrogant, reckless Tory government left behind a mountain of mess. In one...](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/12/toory-government-mess-keir-starmer)** > > We are embarking on the hard graft of making people’s lives better – and we will fight every day to restore hope, says prime minister Keir Starmer 🤷‍♂️ [Next page](https://www.sotonians.com/t/red-dawn-life-under-labour/6989.md?page=2)