# :labour: New Old Labour in trouble **URL:** \ **Category:** Reasonably serious discussion\ **Created:** [27 October 2015 09:11 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/new-old-labour-in-trouble/1522 "2015-10-27T09:11:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 175
**Author:** ![Numptyboi](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/numptyboi/32/25_2.png) [@Numptyboi](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Numptyboi)\ **Post date:** [28 February 2019 08:24 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/new-old-labour-in-trouble/1522/3483 "2019-02-28T08:24:08Z")
Fussy fucker. ---
**Author:** ![CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cb-saint/32/95251_2.png) [@CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/CB-Saint)\ **Post date:** [28 February 2019 08:26 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/new-old-labour-in-trouble/1522/3484 "2019-02-28T08:26:01Z")
I guess if she stood on the lawn with a crutch in one hand she would make do as a set of cricket stumps ---
**Author:** ![Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/polski_filip/32/75318_2.png) [@Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Polski_Filip)\ **Post date:** [28 February 2019 10:07 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/new-old-labour-in-trouble/1522/3485 "2019-02-28T10:07:57Z")
Hmmm. Where did I put the Duct tape? ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [28 February 2019 12:26 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/new-old-labour-in-trouble/1522/3486 "2019-02-28T12:26:46Z")
This is why its hard to like Labour sometimes. > **[Dooley hits back at Comic Relief criticism](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-47400300)** > > The journalist asks if David Lammy's issue with her Comic Relief posts is "because she is white". ---
**Author:** ![Map-Of-Tasmania](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/map-of-tasmania/32/1298_2.png) [@Map-Of-Tasmania](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Map-Of-Tasmania)\ **Post date:** [28 February 2019 13:45 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/new-old-labour-in-trouble/1522/3487 "2019-02-28T13:45:11Z")
What Jezza should say… ihmo because I think he must be pretty fucked with is is very simple: ‘‘If you are a racist twat, we will find you and we will make can fuck off out the party’’ ‘‘If you, believe the Israeli government is in anyway justified over its human rights abuses towards the Palestinian people, we will make you fuck off out the party’’ I appreciate there are some more subtle nuances, but in general it would cover it… ---
**Author:** ![CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cb-saint/32/95251_2.png) [@CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/CB-Saint)\ **Post date:** [28 February 2019 13:48 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/new-old-labour-in-trouble/1522/3488 "2019-02-28T13:48:01Z")
Wasn’t it that famous “white saviour” Lenny Henry who set up comic relief. ---
**Author:** ![Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/polski_filip/32/75318_2.png) [@Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Polski_Filip)\ **Post date:** [28 February 2019 13:59 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/new-old-labour-in-trouble/1522/3489 "2019-02-28T13:59:10Z")
Well, his opinions on this will be “interesting” > **[UN says Israel's killings at Gaza protests may amount to war crimes](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/28/gaza-israel-un-inquiry-killings-protest-war-crimes-army)** > > Inquiry accuses army of killing demonstrators ‘who were not posing an imminent threat’ Very difficult to be neutral I would imagine, and any comment will no doubt be jumped upon ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [1 March 2019 07:14 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/new-old-labour-in-trouble/1522/3490 "2019-03-01T07:14:38Z")
[![]( "YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASqyg2FT5-0) ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [2 March 2019 10:14 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/new-old-labour-in-trouble/1522/3491 "2019-03-02T10:14:44Z")
> **[Tony Blair appointed as head of European body fighting antisemitism](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/04/tony-blair-appointed-head-of-european-body-antisemitism)** > > New role with European Council on Tolerance and Reconciliation follows former prime minister’s decision to stand down as Middle East envoy ---
**Author:** ![Nottarf-Krap](https://www.sotonians.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/8baadc/32.png) [@Nottarf-Krap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Nottarf-Krap)\ **Post date:** [2 March 2019 11:55 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/new-old-labour-in-trouble/1522/3492 "2019-03-02T11:55:26Z")
A very interesting and enlightening article. > **[The truth about Seumas Milne, Jeremy Corbyn and the new McCarthyism](https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/truth-about-seumas-milne-jeremy-corbyn-and-new-mccarthyism)** > > False accusations by yesterday's spooks against Milne and Corbyn are a direct attempt to stop a popular and democratically elected leader from becoming prime minister ---
**Author:** ![Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saint-or-sinner/32/64280_2.png) [@Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Saint-or-sinner)\ **Post date:** [6 March 2019 21:34 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/new-old-labour-in-trouble/1522/3493 "2019-03-06T21:34:29Z")
This is an excellent article, that again shows the stupidity of the accusation. Jeremy Corbyn and anti-semitism before 1st May 2015 = 18 hits Jeremy Corbyn and anti-semitism after 1May 2015 =11,251 None of the 18 hits accused Corbyn of anti-semitism. > **[The Fake News Nazi - Corbyn, Williamson And The Anti-Semitism Scandal](https://www.medialens.org/2019/the-fake-news-nazi-corbyn-williamson-and-the-anti-semitism-scandal/)** > > One of us had a discussion with an elderly relative: > ‘He can’t be allowed to become Prime Minister.’ > > ‘Why not?’ > > ‘It’s so awful…’ > > ‘What is?’ > > ‘The way he hates the Jews.’ > The last comment was spoken with real anguish, the result of continuous... Really worth reading it all. ---
**Author:** ![Fowllyd](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/fowllyd/32/74248_2.png) [@Fowllyd](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Fowllyd)\ **Post date:** [7 March 2019 08:38 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/new-old-labour-in-trouble/1522/3494 "2019-03-07T08:38:54Z")
As posted on the Israel thread, sits just as well here. > **[Debunking the myth that anti-Zionism is antisemitic | Peter Beinart](https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/mar/07/debunking-myth-that-anti-zionism-is-antisemitic)** > > The long read: All over the world, it is an alarming time to be Jewish – but conflating anti-Zionism with Jew-hatred is a tragic mistake ---
**Author:** ![Map-Of-Tasmania](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/map-of-tasmania/32/1298_2.png) [@Map-Of-Tasmania](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Map-Of-Tasmania)\ **Post date:** [7 March 2019 16:59 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/new-old-labour-in-trouble/1522/3495 "2019-03-07T16:59:02Z")
Best article I have read on the matter. ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [7 March 2019 20:14 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/new-old-labour-in-trouble/1522/3496 "2019-03-07T20:14:26Z")
> **[Former Mayor of Sunderland suspended from Labour Party over sharing Facebook...](https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/former-mayor-sunderland-suspended-labour-party-over-sharing-facebook-post-86222)** > > A former Sunderland mayor and senior councillor has been suspended from the Labour Party pending an investigation. ---
**Author:** ![Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saint-or-sinner/32/64280_2.png) [@Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Saint-or-sinner)\ **Post date:** [7 March 2019 22:13 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/new-old-labour-in-trouble/1522/3497 "2019-03-07T22:13:00Z")
Suspended for sharing a news clip? Wow, but it gets better. “And this week, the Equality and Human Rights Commission confirmed it was considering launching a formal investigation into anti-Semitism in the Labour party.” Have they looked at the numbers across political parties? They’re going to be fucking busy enough with the tories(on multiple counts) to even give Labour a second thought, assuming they are not starting from a point of obvious bias. ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [8 March 2019 17:30 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/new-old-labour-in-trouble/1522/3498 "2019-03-08T17:30:00Z")
Jonathan Cook continues to have the best grasp of the situation. > **[Labour’s civil war on Israel has been a long time coming](https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/labours-civil-war-israel-has-been-long-time-coming)** > > Threats by a Jewish group to split from Labour is not evidence of anti-semitism, but of the party’s long indulgence of anti-Palestinian racism ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [17 March 2019 14:35 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/new-old-labour-in-trouble/1522/3499 "2019-03-17T14:35:41Z")
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**Author:** ![Nottarf-Krap](https://www.sotonians.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/8baadc/32.png) [@Nottarf-Krap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Nottarf-Krap)\ **Post date:** [17 March 2019 21:53 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/new-old-labour-in-trouble/1522/3500 "2019-03-17T21:53:42Z")
Jess Phillips? I don’t think so. She is despised in the Labour Party, She works as an editor for for ‘House’ magazine, a weekly aimed at MPs, It is owned by Lord Ashcroft, Tory donor and all round right wing shit. Their bumf boasts, "The House is a glossy magazine which specializes in publishing positive profiles of MPs illustrated with attractive, well lit photographs of them. It appeals to advertizers who want to reach them, promising corporations or lobbyists it is “closer than any other political magazine to the most powerful people in UK politics”. Ashcroft is probably better known for writing the book,‘Call Me Dave’, which claimed Cameron had sex with a pig’s head. It was later revealed by the 2017 Paradise Papers that Ashcroft continued to avoid paying tax, despite assurances to the contrary. Lord Ashcroft is the former Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party, which he had to resign from in disgrace when it came to light that he wasn’t paying his taxes. What on earth is Jess,(look at me i’m an MP), Phillips doing taking a reported 300 pounds an hour from this shyster, whilst at the same time claiming she is a working class socialist MP? Laughable! Jess Phillips is the chair of the Women’s PLP, yet she was criticised for missing an important meeting of the Women’s PLP because she was attending what was dubbed the ‘Party of the night’, a private event thrown by Rupert Murdoch at his penthouse apartment. Every other name listed on the guest list, described as a who’s who of parliament’s rising stars is a Tory MP. What on earth was a ‘Labour’ MP doing attending this event? She refused to respond to questions about the appropriateness of a Labour MP attending a party thrown by the owner of publications that routinely attack her party. Jess Phillips gave an interview to the Guardian a week or so ago when she stated quite openly that she would be a better leader of the Labour Party than Jeremy Corbyn. She clearly has delusions of grandeur. But it is clear, given the almost saturation coverage she has been blessed with in the MSM over the past few weeks that she is the chosen one, the choice of the Blairite faction in the Labour Party, and the UK establishment as their candidate to replace Corbyn as the ‘acceptable face’ of Labour. As i said, delusions of grandeur, she has got no chance. Desperate stuff, and the really sad thing is that these ‘power brokers’ are so out of touch that they really can’t see it. ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [18 March 2019 19:56 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/new-old-labour-in-trouble/1522/3501 "2019-03-18T19:56:17Z")
> **[Watch the film Labour MPs didn't want you to see](https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/watch-film-labour-mps-didnt-want-you-see?fbclid=IwAR0PzxANzCr2KlHagxwq14lSuZr0De95DQwqQOu8DpwbybAZ-J_UNKE6Pzo)** > > John Pullman's film \*WitchHunt\* now free online. ---
**Author:** ![lifeintheslowlane](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/lifeintheslowlane/32/690_2.png) [@lifeintheslowlane](https://www.sotonians.com/u/lifeintheslowlane)\ **Post date:** [18 March 2019 21:14 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/new-old-labour-in-trouble/1522/3502 "2019-03-18T21:14:03Z")
The trouble with that is no matter how worthy the film, the people you want to reach, to make sit up and say, “Hey that’s right, why didn’t I see that” will have sat through the first two minutes and dismissed it as left-wing anti-semitic racism. What can you do when a right-wing MSM can pump out their proparganda virtually unopposed when it comes to getting their mesage out there. [Previous page](https://www.sotonians.com/t/new-old-labour-in-trouble/1522.md?page=174) [Next page](https://www.sotonians.com/t/new-old-labour-in-trouble/1522.md?page=176)