# 🇮🇱 Israel

**URL:** <https://www.sotonians.com/t/israel/2728>\
**Category:** News and current events\
**Created:** [7 February 2018 20:41 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/israel/2728 "2018-02-07T20:41:03Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\
**Post date:** [15 May 2018 18:18 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/israel/2728/101 "2018-05-15T18:18:53Z")

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To be fair to Stephen Twigg, @nottarf-krap - he has got back to me, although he hasn’t provided a public reply. That said, he \_has \_been retweeting people condemning the violence. He does not agree with the LFI statement. Sensing an opportunity, I sent him a very conciliatory message imploring him to do more.

This, btw, is a fantastic tweet.

[https://twitter.com/alexnunns/status/996138527774662657](https://twitter.com/alexnunns/status/996138527774662657)

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**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\
**Post date:** [15 May 2018 18:40 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/israel/2728/102 "2018-05-15T18:40:16Z")

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> **[Jeremy Corbyn](https://www.facebook.com/JeremyCorbynMP/posts/10156442004773872)**
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> Today’s killing of dozens of unarmed protesters and the wounding of many more by Israeli forces in Gaza is an outrage that demands not just international condemnation, but action to hold those...

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**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\
**Post date:** [15 May 2018 18:51 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/israel/2728/103 "2018-05-15T18:51:56Z")

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Very carefully worded though -

A welcome response, but could / should (?) have gone much further in his condemnation of Israeli actions but didn’t.

No mention of LFI, tellingly.

6/10 imho

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**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\
**Post date:** [16 May 2018 11:57 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/israel/2728/104 "2018-05-16T11:57:00Z")

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> <https://twitter.com/papingu/status/996720710943899648>

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**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\
**Post date:** [16 May 2018 16:51 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/israel/2728/105 "2018-05-16T16:51:08Z")

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Yeah but RT right?

> <https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/996623003021643776>

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**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\
**Post date:** [16 May 2018 16:58 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/israel/2728/106 "2018-05-16T16:58:54Z")

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> <https://twitter.com/malonebarry/status/996539858704326656>

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**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\
**Post date:** [16 May 2018 20:25 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/israel/2728/107 "2018-05-16T20:25:19Z")

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I’m sorry, but why isn’t the UK Government (and the West) not condemning Israel?

I get that Israelis need a homeland, but they aren’t doing themselves any favours and if this carries on and escalates they’ll find themselves out on their arses once more - assuming they don’t nuke themselves and the Middle East

#Armageddon

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**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\
**Post date:** [17 May 2018 20:26 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/israel/2728/108 "2018-05-17T20:26:14Z")

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Another chapter in my love/hate relationship with Andrew Neil.

[https://twitter.com/LabourLeft/status/996812534136090624](https://twitter.com/LabourLeft/status/996812534136090624)

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**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\
**Post date:** [18 May 2018 05:54 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/israel/2728/109 "2018-05-18T05:54:49Z")

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> **['Appalled' Trudeau calls for inquiry after Canadian doctor wounded in Gaza](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/17/canadian-doctor-wounded-gaza-israel-palestinians-gaza)**
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> Tarek Loubani said he was wearing a green surgeon’s outfit treating injured Palestinians when he was shot in both legs

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**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\
**Post date:** [18 May 2018 19:28 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/israel/2728/110 "2018-05-18T19:28:46Z")

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> <https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/997523270801985537>

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**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\
**Post date:** [18 May 2018 19:46 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/israel/2728/111 "2018-05-18T19:46:44Z")

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Fuck. Is that for real ?!! Horrendous.

I assume there’ll be international condemnation and sanctions against Israel ?

Oh, wait, I forgot; they’re the teflon “nation”

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**Author:** ![Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saint-or-sinner/32/64280_2.png) [@Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Saint-or-sinner)\
**Post date:** [19 May 2018 21:41 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/israel/2728/112 "2018-05-19T21:41:00Z")

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Made up, but closer to the truth than any western media dare to print.

The IDF explained.

> “I could see the whites of the baby’s eyes and hear her terrifying cries, and I knew it was either her or me. And this wasn’t some newborn infant, you know? This was a baby who could probably sit up independently.

> **[IDF Soldier Recounts Harrowing, Heroic War Story Of Killing 8-Month-Old Child](https://theonion.com/idf-soldier-recounts-harrowing-heroic-war-story-of-kil-1826048745/)**
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> JERUSALEM—Describing the terrifying yet valiant experience to his fellow battalion members, Israel Defense Forces soldier Yossi Saadon recounted Tuesday his harrowing, heroic war story of killing an 8-month-old Palestinian child during a violent...

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**Author:** ![BTripz](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/btripz/32/75839_2.png) [@BTripz](https://www.sotonians.com/u/BTripz)\
**Post date:** [20 May 2018 09:27 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/israel/2728/113 "2018-05-20T09:27:26Z")

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OK, Devil’s advocate here, but there’s not really any beating up there. Maybe they’re just trying to get the medics to hurry up to get them out of the line of fire. Surely if they were that bad they would be head shotting the wounded!!

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**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\
**Post date:** [20 May 2018 11:27 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/israel/2728/114 "2018-05-20T11:27:41Z")

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Adult Unit #1 was home for a night this week. As some will recall, despite being as loud as her old man on most things, she has been something of a fencesitter when it has come to some political issues. She was happy enough to support Corbyn, for example, but unlike her dad, wasn’t happy to barrel into those among our own lot looking to derail the project.

Israel was another one of those issues where she sat on the fence. Not anymore. The last couple of weeks have been her moment. She is appalled at what happened to the Palestinians, and what happens to those that speak in favour of them.

I think we all do have that moment. I’m sure I am not alone in having felt once broadly supportive toward the Israelis, sometime back in the mists of time. My moment really was the 2014 incursion into Gaza. We’d already lost a friend, early in that year, in a gun and bomb attack in Kabul. He had been director of LFPME for a couple of years, an organisation which got fraction of the funding and political support that Labour Friends of Israel. Instead of taking MPs on well-oiled happy path junkets to Israel, that dude ran marathons in Bethlehem to raise money for Palestinians.

This is a country that has insisted that the Palestinians need to give up arms to return to the negotiating table, which more than anything else, they don’t. When boycotting campaigns are established, the lobbying arm of this country has decried such action as anti-semitic, using its influence here to legally prevent councils from joining BDS. When a non-violent protest is organised on the 70th anniversary, live rounds kill or injure over 2.7k people. Ports and roads are blockaded.

Israel is a country doing its level best to prevent Palestinians from having any kind of out. The problem with playing devil’s advocate, @btripz , is that you really are advocating for some truly devilish conduct.

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**Author:** ![Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saint-or-sinner/32/64280_2.png) [@Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Saint-or-sinner)\
**Post date:** [20 May 2018 13:06 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/israel/2728/115 "2018-05-20T13:06:20Z")

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When anyone mentions Gaza i always think of this.

> **[Manifesto 1.0](https://www.google.com/url?q=https:%2F%2Fgazaybo.wordpress.com%2Fmanifesto-0-1%2F&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiMo--Dq5TbAhXHQ8AKHRg4CoAQFggLMAA&usg=AOvVaw2hURjwVBKEUs6hC_hpUCZV)**
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> Fuck Israel. Fuck Hammas. Fuck Fatah. Fuck UN. Fuck UNWRA. Fuck USA! We, the youth in Gaza, are so fed up with Israel, Hamas, the occupation, the violations of human rights and the indifference of …

And just a reminder of the sanctity of innocent children.

[https://www.google.com/url?q=https://gazaybo.wordpress.com/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwialseXrJTbAhVIPsAKHaFtCG4QFggLMAA&usg=AOvVaw398UJccn7aST3OTm9856xj](https://www.google.com/url?q=https://gazaybo.wordpress.com/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwialseXrJTbAhVIPsAKHaFtCG4QFggLMAA&usg=AOvVaw398UJccn7aST3OTm9856xj)

They shot Ronaldo for playing football.

Anyone want to defend them?

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**Author:** ![Fowllyd](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/fowllyd/32/74248_2.png) [@Fowllyd](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Fowllyd)\
**Post date:** [20 May 2018 21:28 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/israel/2728/116 "2018-05-20T21:28:49Z")

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[Long but excellent piece from the Guardian here.](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/20/the-fight-to-define-the-very-essence-of-israel)

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**Author:** ![BTripz](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/btripz/32/75839_2.png) [@BTripz](https://www.sotonians.com/u/BTripz)\
**Post date:** [21 May 2018 09:04 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/israel/2728/117 "2018-05-21T09:04:54Z")

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Totally agree with you Pap :lou_smiley: I just think, taken in isolation, that video isn’t what it is purported to be!

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**Author:** ![PhilippineSaint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/philippinesaint/32/3978_2.png) [@PhilippineSaint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/PhilippineSaint)\
**Post date:** [21 May 2018 09:26 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/israel/2728/118 "2018-05-21T09:26:41Z")

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My muslim mates are hating the fact thet they have more than 1 mother in law

Just saying like

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**Author:** ![Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saint-or-sinner/32/64280_2.png) [@Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Saint-or-sinner)\
**Post date:** [21 May 2018 09:46 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/israel/2728/119 "2018-05-21T09:46:47Z")

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You’re looking for this kind of thing @btripz

[![]( "YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F92nBzhBbGA)

Only fair to show the other sides view.

[![](https://discourse-sotonians-uploads.s3.dualstack.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/original/3X/4/c/4c91b7b886234849a8a4b83f757b91703f68dcf9.jpeg "YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjTkJIPKj80)

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**Author:** ![BTripz](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/btripz/32/75839_2.png) [@BTripz](https://www.sotonians.com/u/BTripz)\
**Post date:** [21 May 2018 10:02 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/israel/2728/120 "2018-05-21T10:02:17Z")

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Not paticularly thanks, I don’t need to go looking for that sort of shit to know it goes on…

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