# đŸ”„ Grenfell Fire **URL:** \ **Category:** Reasonably serious discussion\ **Created:** [14 June 2017 05:47 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/grenfell-fire/3408 "2017-06-14T05:47:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [28 June 2017 16:56 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/grenfell-fire/3408/281 "2017-06-28T16:56:36Z")
Just heard on the news that it’ll be the end of the year before a final death toll will be released. Cover up confirmed, then. ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [28 June 2017 17:03 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/grenfell-fire/3408/282 "2017-06-28T17:03:45Z")
This government has no shame ---
**Author:** ![Sadoldgit](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/sadoldgit/32/44_2.png) [@Sadoldgit](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Sadoldgit)\ **Post date:** [28 June 2017 19:23 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/grenfell-fire/3408/283 "2017-06-28T19:23:07Z")
Call me cynical, but when it is a terrorist attack figures are bandied about all over the place. The Sun and The Mail seem to have gone very quiet on that front. I appreciate that it isn’t easy identifying number from dental records, but 5 or 6 months? Seriously? I think we can assume that the figure will be significantly higher than 80. ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [28 June 2017 19:31 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/grenfell-fire/3408/284 "2017-06-28T19:31:29Z")
Here’s the BBC version > **[No final Grenfell death toll 'this year'](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40434741)** > > Most victims of fire were in 23 flats, police say, as a coroner hears how a baby died in her mother's arms. Still doesn’t ring true, but I love a good conspiracy theory me. ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [29 June 2017 05:53 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/grenfell-fire/3408/285 "2017-06-29T05:53:50Z")
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**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [29 June 2017 06:13 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/grenfell-fire/3408/286 "2017-06-29T06:13:04Z")
> **[The man overseeing the Grenfell fire panel advised ministers to cut fire...](https://www.independent.co.uk/property/house-and-home/pets/news/fire-safety-measures-grenfell-tower-sprinklers-retrofitting-fire-service-cuts-independent-panel-a7812646.html)** > > Sir Ken Knight will now advise the Government on its response to the Grenfell Tower fire ---
**Author:** ![saintbletch](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saintbletch/32/618_2.png) [@saintbletch](https://www.sotonians.com/u/saintbletch)\ **Post date:** [29 June 2017 06:21 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/grenfell-fire/3408/287 "2017-06-29T06:21:16Z")
It’s pretty churlish to imply (as I knew you were, 🐐) that \_ **SIR** \_ Martin Moore-Bick is simply going to find for the \_ **establishment.** \_ ---
**Author:** ![Nottarf-Krap](https://www.sotonians.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/8baadc/32.png) [@Nottarf-Krap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Nottarf-Krap)\ **Post date:** [29 June 2017 15:08 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/grenfell-fire/3408/288 "2017-06-29T15:08:23Z")
So Kensington and Chelsea council, led by Nicholas Paget-Brown, held a cabinet meeting last night to discuss the Grenfell Tower fire. Survivors of the fire and the media were banned from attending. Cover up, what cover up? ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [29 June 2017 19:51 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/grenfell-fire/3408/289 "2017-06-29T19:51:22Z")
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**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [29 June 2017 20:37 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/grenfell-fire/3408/290 "2017-06-29T20:37:06Z")
Jeez Paget-Brown has a brass neck. Clearly frightened of the truth coming out and seems to be doing what his pay-masters tell him Should change his name to Paget-Brown-Nose cunt. ---
**Author:** ![Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saint-or-sinner/32/64280_2.png) [@Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Saint-or-sinner)\ **Post date:** [30 June 2017 08:29 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/grenfell-fire/3408/291 "2017-06-30T08:29:23Z")
Rydons are threatening to sue K&C council and it looks like they have a case, if K&C try to pass the buck. > **[Grenfell cladding approved by residents was swapped for cheaper version](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/30/grenfell-cladding-was-changed-to-cheaper-version-reports-say)** > > Documents show contractors were asked to fit aluminium instead of more fire-resistant zinc, saving ÂŁ300,000 ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [30 June 2017 08:30 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/grenfell-fire/3408/292 "2017-06-30T08:30:02Z")
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**Author:** ![Intiniki](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/intiniki/32/9_2.png) [@Intiniki](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Intiniki)\ **Post date:** [30 June 2017 18:06 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/grenfell-fire/3408/293 "2017-06-30T18:06:27Z")
Paget-Brown resigns. Plus head of the TMO steps aside. Would Paget-Brown have a golden handshake to leave? ---
**Author:** ![Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saint-or-sinner/32/64280_2.png) [@Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Saint-or-sinner)\ **Post date:** [30 June 2017 19:09 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/grenfell-fire/3408/294 "2017-06-30T19:09:12Z")
That’ll be odds-on. If the tories were in a stronger position, he’d probably get a knighthood as well. ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [30 June 2017 19:16 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/grenfell-fire/3408/295 "2017-06-30T19:16:46Z")
Adele is amazing at what she does, even if her music is not my cup of tea. ms pap guilted me into going to see her headline the Pyramid last year (it was ms pap’s 40th) and I thoroughly enjoyed myself. I can see why people fall in love with the girl. I certainly did on that Saturday night. Biggest female pop artist in the world and still incredibly down to earth. Not surprised to see her sticking up for Grenfell and starting a campaign. Massive kudos for using her influence to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Rallyboy](https://www.sotonians.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/0ea827/32.png) [@Rallyboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Rallyboy)\ **Post date:** [30 June 2017 20:14 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/grenfell-fire/3408/296 "2017-06-30T20:14:34Z")
Paget-Brown had no option after making up all that shit last night and demonstrating that he has no grasp of legal process. He’s also done well to emerge from an incredibly tight competition to win the _Crappest Council Leader of the Year_ award. ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [30 June 2017 20:39 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/grenfell-fire/3408/297 "2017-06-30T20:39:24Z")
Pretty sure that he has only stepped down as leader of the council. NOT as a councillor. He’ll still be picking up his pay cheque as will the other double barrelled deputy fuckwit. ---
**Author:** ![Intiniki](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/intiniki/32/9_2.png) [@Intiniki](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Intiniki)\ **Post date:** [30 June 2017 20:42 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/grenfell-fire/3408/298 "2017-06-30T20:42:17Z")
Saw on the news they refused help from other local authorities which now makes sense that we didn’t get emails until the Saturday asking for volunteers to support families. I spend my time telling people it’s fine to ask for help. Its not a weakness. Or were they worried people would realise sooner that something is amiss at that council? ---
**Author:** ![Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saint-or-sinner/32/64280_2.png) [@Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Saint-or-sinner)\ **Post date:** [30 June 2017 21:21 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/grenfell-fire/3408/299 "2017-06-30T21:21:21Z")
Enough time to shred and delete? Agree completely with you about asking for help, but our society has been taught to demonise anyone poor that does. Deborah Orr has done a decent job of it. “Our society treats those in poverty as moral failures, whose voices of concern are a sign of ingratitude” > **[Years of apathy make Grenfell not a tragedy, but an atrocity | Deborah Orr](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/30/grenfell-tower-not-a-tragedy-an-atrocity-poverty-moral-failures)** > > Our society treats those in poverty as moral failures, whose voices of concern are a sign of ingratitude ---
**Author:** ![Fowllyd](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/fowllyd/32/74248_2.png) [@Fowllyd](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Fowllyd)\ **Post date:** [30 June 2017 22:08 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/grenfell-fire/3408/300 "2017-06-30T22:08:25Z")
It looks to me as if Paget-Brown was given a hefty shove by Tory HQ. Having said quite unequivocally that he had no reason to resign and would not be doing so, all of a sudden off he goes. It’s not too hard to picture the dialogue between him and HQ: "Nick, Nick, Nick. Nicky. We like you Nick, we really do. You’ve got a cheeky face, a great name, and a lovely shiny head. And you’ve done the right thing too. You’ve clawed back precious funds from refurbishing pauper flats, and that lets you set council tax lower for the real people - what’s not to like? As I said, we like you. You’re one of our own. "But there’s a bit of a problem here, Nick. Trouble is, these pauper types can vote. Yes, Nicky, we know they never used to, but it does look like they’ve started to now. And you know the worst part of that? Of course you do, Nick, of course you do. They don’t vote for us, do they? And what did they do the other day, the bastards? Yes, they voted in a Labour MP. On your watch, Nick, on your watch. “And now there’s this fire, Nick. Nasty. Very nasty. Yeah, they were all paupers - and a lot of them were foreign paupers - but somehow people have got the idea that they were real people. Not your fault, Nick - we know that, we really do - but you know what the press can be like. And the TV people - well, best not mention them, eh?” "But we need to get back to the point here Nick. The thing is, you’re poison. I know it’s not nice to hear, and you don’t need to say anything right now - no, Nick, you _really_ don’t need to say anything right now - but that’s how it is. Nick, that’s how it is, OK? The paupers and their mates have got you in their sights and, let’s face it, you look bad. Yes, Nick, even with your cheeky face and all that shit. And to make matters worse, just what the fuck was that meeting last night all about? No, Nick, that was a rhetorical question, you don’t need to answer it. You really don’t need to answer
 Look Nick, just shut the fuck up and listen, OK\> "You’re a fucking liability now, Nick. A serious fucking liability. You look like a pile of shit, and if you hang around any longer that could start to rub off on Theresa. And that just can’t happen, Nick, you know that. So the long and the short of it is, Nick - don’t cry Nick, it’s not helping - is that you have to fall on your sword now. No Nick, for fuck’s sake - Nick! NICK! - it’s a fucking metaphor! Put the fucking sword down you stupid cunt! "Thank fuck for that. Now Nick, you’re basically toast. No Nick, I really don’t give a flying fuck if you think that’s a tasteless metaphor - in fact, I don’t even give a flying fuck that you apparently do know what a metaphor is after all - you’re stil toast. You’ve got to go. We’ve done a letter for you and everything, and you can be as ungracious and equivocal a twat as you want when you speak to the media, but you’re done. “Oh, and your deputy has to go too - he’s in charge of housing isn’t he? What was his name again? Don’t take the piss Nick, just tell me his fucking name. Really? That’s really his name? Christ on a fucking bike, no wonder those pauper cunts won the seat. Just get the fuck out of it, keep your mouth buttoned and you’ll be OK. We’ll see to that.” [Previous page](https://www.sotonians.com/t/grenfell-fire/3408.md?page=14) [Next page](https://www.sotonians.com/t/grenfell-fire/3408.md?page=16)