# Does the Class System still exist in the U.K.? **URL:** \ **Category:** Reasonably serious discussion\ **Created:** [29 June 2017 12:11 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/does-the-class-system-still-exist-in-the-u-k/2520 "2017-06-29T12:11:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [29 June 2017 22:21 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/does-the-class-system-still-exist-in-the-u-k/2520/41 "2017-06-29T22:21:44Z")
Am I missing something here, what have the Royals influenced? ---
**Author:** ![Intiniki](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/intiniki/32/9_2.png) [@Intiniki](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Intiniki)\ **Post date:** [29 June 2017 22:23 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/does-the-class-system-still-exist-in-the-u-k/2520/42 "2017-06-29T22:23:02Z")
Do the bloody googling yourself. I don’t get the same sort of remuneration they or other search engine get. ---
**Author:** ![Sadoldgit](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/sadoldgit/32/44_2.png) [@Sadoldgit](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Sadoldgit)\ **Post date:** [29 June 2017 22:27 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/does-the-class-system-still-exist-in-the-u-k/2520/43 "2017-06-29T22:27:03Z")
But YOU said they “are still ruling us now.” ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [29 June 2017 22:32 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/does-the-class-system-still-exist-in-the-u-k/2520/44 "2017-06-29T22:32:00Z")
If you think the Normans are Royal you are inbred and need a blood transfusion of oil and goats cheese. Just read some fucking books, you have the time and obviously the energy. ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [29 June 2017 22:32 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/does-the-class-system-still-exist-in-the-u-k/2520/45 "2017-06-29T22:32:48Z")
The knowledge of history is fucking shocking on this site, get it together, ---
**Author:** ![gavstar](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/gavstar/32/86128_2.png) [@gavstar](https://www.sotonians.com/u/gavstar)\ **Post date:** [29 June 2017 22:41 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/does-the-class-system-still-exist-in-the-u-k/2520/46 "2017-06-29T22:41:04Z")
That’s a very sweeping statement Baz. Ask me anything you like about crop rotation in the 14th century. ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [29 June 2017 22:43 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/does-the-class-system-still-exist-in-the-u-k/2520/47 "2017-06-29T22:43:16Z")
They used a carrot in August and a Potato in May. ---
**Author:** ![PhilippineSaint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/philippinesaint/32/3978_2.png) [@PhilippineSaint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/PhilippineSaint)\ **Post date:** [29 June 2017 22:49 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/does-the-class-system-still-exist-in-the-u-k/2520/48 "2017-06-29T22:49:58Z")
Who shoved a potato up Teresa? ---
**Author:** ![gavstar](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/gavstar/32/86128_2.png) [@gavstar](https://www.sotonians.com/u/gavstar)\ **Post date:** [29 June 2017 22:52 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/does-the-class-system-still-exist-in-the-u-k/2520/49 "2017-06-29T22:52:07Z")
The DUP. ---
**Author:** ![Sadoldgit](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/sadoldgit/32/44_2.png) [@Sadoldgit](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Sadoldgit)\ **Post date:** [30 June 2017 08:50 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/does-the-class-system-still-exist-in-the-u-k/2520/50 "2017-06-30T08:50:22Z")
What on earth are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Intiniki](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/intiniki/32/9_2.png) [@Intiniki](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Intiniki)\ **Post date:** [30 June 2017 10:05 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/does-the-class-system-still-exist-in-the-u-k/2520/51 "2017-06-30T10:05:30Z")
Potatoes arrived in the UK in late 1500s… god does no one know about History on here! Barry why tell us we should read books when you don’t go and Google easily found articles on a topic you asked for details on? Most peculiar sort you are. ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [30 June 2017 12:05 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/does-the-class-system-still-exist-in-the-u-k/2520/52 "2017-06-30T12:05:45Z")
Dry humour is in short supply as well,…It must be a liberal thing. ---
**Author:** ![PhilippineSaint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/philippinesaint/32/3978_2.png) [@PhilippineSaint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/PhilippineSaint)\ **Post date:** [30 June 2017 12:22 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/does-the-class-system-still-exist-in-the-u-k/2520/53 "2017-06-30T12:22:26Z")
They shoved a potato up Teresa with out the use of Vaseline? must be a conservative thing. ---
**Author:** ![Bathsaint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/bathsaint/32/22_2.png) [@Bathsaint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Bathsaint)\ **Post date:** [30 June 2017 12:41 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/does-the-class-system-still-exist-in-the-u-k/2520/54 "2017-06-30T12:41:27Z")
Talking of reading books ( @barry-sanchez , I’m looking at you), class struggle simply boils down to possession (or lack of possession) of capital and willingness and ability to sell labour. Capital can constitute both financial capital and social capital (upbringing, networks, privilege, education, etc.). So while there is disparity in capital and freedom of labour, there will be class struggle. Marx 101 ---
**Author:** ![Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/barry-sanchez/32/76_2.png) [@Barry-Sanchez](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Barry-Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [30 June 2017 12:54 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/does-the-class-system-still-exist-in-the-u-k/2520/55 "2017-06-30T12:54:39Z")
Class struggle is a fight for fairness and equality. Bazza 101 ---
**Author:** ![Bathsaint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/bathsaint/32/22_2.png) [@Bathsaint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Bathsaint)\ **Post date:** [30 June 2017 14:03 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/does-the-class-system-still-exist-in-the-u-k/2520/56 "2017-06-30T14:03:45Z")
::rolls eyes:: Lack of fairness and inequality are the result of uneven distribution of capital and exploitation of labour. ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [30 June 2017 16:00 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/does-the-class-system-still-exist-in-the-u-k/2520/57 "2017-06-30T16:00:58Z")
One of the biggest problems is that successive governments have legislated to embed both into the system. I’ve always had a problem with fairness as in the way politicians use it in the abstract. It varies wildly depending on which politician is providing the definition. Cameron waged his war on the welfare state by asking whether it was fair that unemployed families received more in state benefit than the average wage of £26K. It’s the Tories in one policy. “Work must pay” implemented not by raising wages, but by cutting benefits, never mind the consequences for those who are living on even less. ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [30 June 2017 16:11 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/does-the-class-system-still-exist-in-the-u-k/2520/58 "2017-06-30T16:11:42Z")
What I seem to get from here is that most want free market socialism. Am I wide of the mark? If so explain how it works if not explain how it doesn’t work You have 1 hour, no access to the internet or phones to call a friend or political representative. :lou_wink_2: ---
**Author:** ![Bathsaint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/bathsaint/32/22_2.png) [@Bathsaint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Bathsaint)\ **Post date:** [30 June 2017 16:45 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/does-the-class-system-still-exist-in-the-u-k/2520/59 "2017-06-30T16:45:55Z")
Free market socialism? You mean like the Swedes and Danish have? Yep, that would do me fine. They achieve it through higher taxes but it’s also fairly well embedded into the culture such that those who earn relatively high wages are prepared to accept that they will have a commensurately higher tax burden. ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [30 June 2017 17:03 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/does-the-class-system-still-exist-in-the-u-k/2520/60 "2017-06-30T17:03:19Z")
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