# šŸŒ¦ šŸ§ Climate Change Deniers **URL:** \ **Category:** Reasonably serious discussion\ **Created:** [10 August 2017 09:03 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/climate-change-deniers/3433 "2017-08-10T09:03:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BTripz](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/btripz/32/75839_2.png) [@BTripz](https://www.sotonians.com/u/BTripz)\ **Post date:** [11 August 2017 13:42 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/climate-change-deniers/3433/21 "2017-08-11T13:42:02Z")
OK, my stance. Climate change is happening. Is it natural? Possibly, the world gors through phases of hot to cold to hot Are humans exacerbating the situation? Probably Can we do something about it? Maybe ---
**Author:** ![SaintBristol](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saintbristol/32/607_2.png) [@SaintBristol](https://www.sotonians.com/u/SaintBristol)\ **Post date:** [12 August 2017 22:24 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/climate-change-deniers/3433/22 "2017-08-12T22:24:24Z")
Thanks for your stance šŸ˜„ ---
**Author:** ![SaintBristol](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saintbristol/32/607_2.png) [@SaintBristol](https://www.sotonians.com/u/SaintBristol)\ **Post date:** [12 August 2017 22:27 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/climate-change-deniers/3433/23 "2017-08-12T22:27:19Z")
Seriously šŸ˜† Genius ---
**Author:** ![PhilippineSaint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/philippinesaint/32/3978_2.png) [@PhilippineSaint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/PhilippineSaint)\ **Post date:** [13 August 2017 00:31 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/climate-change-deniers/3433/24 "2017-08-13T00:31:41Z")
I thought bears shit in the woods and you slept during the dark? So what youā€™re saying is you shit in your sleep to help climate control, that would save on water and use of paper I suppose. Did you get advice from Pap on how to get the dried winnets out of your fur after smearing? ---
**Author:** ![Bathsaint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/bathsaint/32/22_2.png) [@Bathsaint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Bathsaint)\ **Post date:** [16 August 2017 23:30 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/climate-change-deniers/3433/25 "2017-08-16T23:30:15Z")
In a few hours time, my family and I will be on a airplane to the States, burning way more than our fair share of carbon. All electronic devices are on charge. To add to our hypocrisy, we are flying from Manchester to Heathrow (totally unnecessarily) and then from Heathrow to LA. Oh, and donā€™t forget the drive up to Manchester in the first place. This farce actually saves us several hundred quid. :lou_surprised: :lou_eyes_to_sky: ---
**Author:** ![lifeintheslowlane](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/lifeintheslowlane/32/690_2.png) [@lifeintheslowlane](https://www.sotonians.com/u/lifeintheslowlane)\ **Post date:** [17 August 2017 07:44 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/climate-change-deniers/3433/26 "2017-08-17T07:44:17Z")
ROAD TRIP ALERT! Post pictures. :lou_lol: ---
**Author:** ![Bathsaint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/bathsaint/32/22_2.png) [@Bathsaint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Bathsaint)\ **Post date:** [17 August 2017 08:11 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/climate-change-deniers/3433/27 "2017-08-17T08:11:12Z")
It is, indeed, a bit of a road trip, but with the kids in tow and stopping at all the theme park things in San Diego oh, and I checked. By flying from Manchester via Heathrow, we save approx Ā£1200! Thatā€™s totally bonkersā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Bathsaint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/bathsaint/32/22_2.png) [@Bathsaint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Bathsaint)\ **Post date:** [12 September 2017 07:30 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/climate-change-deniers/3433/28 "2017-09-12T07:30:44Z")
I guess theyā€™re not deniers necessarily, but you can pretty much guess theyā€™re priorities. Wildfires up in Washington State, apparently. Certainly, California was experiencing an unprecedented heatwave while we were over there and all the undergrowth looked pretty much like a tinderbox waiting to burst into flames. ![](https://discourse-sotonians-uploads.s3.dualstack.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/original/3X/7/5/7592e92b8672c9c9ef35c38daaa1d08e903cc063.jpeg) [Golfers photographed casually finishing round as forests burn around them](http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/golfers-photographed-casually-finishing-round-as-forests-burn-around-them-1.3578887) ---
**Author:** ![Fatso](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/fatso/32/18_2.png) [@Fatso](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Fatso)\ **Post date:** [12 September 2017 08:34 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/climate-change-deniers/3433/29 "2017-09-12T08:34:48Z")
Ive been reading a few articles about American climate change deniers post Irma. > **[Hurricane Irma: Climate change deniers' chickens come home to roostĀ ](https://independentaustralia.net/environment/environment-display/--hurricane-irma-rush-limbaugh-and-the-koch-brothers,10708)** > > Will Hurricane Irma's devastation in Florida convince deniers such as Governor Rick Scott that there is no climate change conspiracy? ---
**Author:** ![BTripz](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/btripz/32/75839_2.png) [@BTripz](https://www.sotonians.com/u/BTripz)\ **Post date:** [12 September 2017 08:43 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/climate-change-deniers/3433/30 "2017-09-12T08:43:37Z")
Itā€™s all Gaia isnā€™t itā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![steveintheforest](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/steveintheforest/32/135_2.png) [@steveintheforest](https://www.sotonians.com/u/steveintheforest)\ **Post date:** [12 September 2017 09:13 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/climate-change-deniers/3433/31 "2017-09-12T09:13:52Z")
ā€¦ ā€¦ fuckinā€™ getting worse over here, thats for sure ā€¦ those 6 idyllic weeks each year of baking hot sunshine, no teachers cramping your style and if you were very lucky, Saints winning a cup, seem a lifetime ago !! ā€¦ oh hang on :lou_sad: ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [12 September 2017 20:45 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/climate-change-deniers/3433/32 "2017-09-12T20:45:16Z")
A while back Iā€™m sure I saw a documentary that provided evidence that hurricane activity in the USA has worsened because of the reduction in air pollution. Canā€™t remember the channel / programme but hereā€™s an article from 2013 saying some thing similar. So arguably worsening hurricanes are man made, but not in the way climate change advocates believe? > **[Air pollution may have led to fewer hurricanes, study finds](https://www.theverge.com/2013/6/24/4459286/air-pollution-may-cause-fewer-hurricanes-uk-met-office-finds)** > > Air pollution has been linked to a number of detrimental effects on the environment and human health over the years. But it may also have produced one unintended positive impact: lowering the... An inconvenient truth? :lou_sunglasses: ---
**Author:** ![Fatso](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/fatso/32/18_2.png) [@Fatso](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Fatso)\ **Post date:** [12 September 2017 21:57 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/climate-change-deniers/3433/33 "2017-09-12T21:57:26Z")
That may well be true but for a tropical storm to form the sea has to be 27 degrees centigrade. That temperature is being met more and more due to climate change. I think read somewhere that the sea hit 30 degrees for Irma. ---
**Author:** ![Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/polski_filip/32/75318_2.png) [@Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Polski_Filip)\ **Post date:** [13 September 2017 04:31 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/climate-change-deniers/3433/34 "2017-09-13T04:31:16Z")
Yeah. How does that work in reality both financially and environmentally. We just saved a similar amount by booking to fly to Bahrain then to Thailand. Sure direct is more convenient but so is 1000 quid in the bank. And to hell with the carbonā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cobham-saint/32/99252_2.png) [@Cobham-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Cobham-Saint)\ **Post date:** [13 September 2017 05:35 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/climate-change-deniers/3433/35 "2017-09-13T05:35:59Z")
Donā€™t doubt you @fatso , just playing devils advocate. I think that both sides of the argument seem to only pick the facts that suits their own agenda, when, as the example I gave shows it is likely to be more complex. Iā€™m talking about the ā€œexpertsā€ here as a lot of people are basing their careers around climate change and understandably need to have their salaries paid or research grants won. ---
**Author:** ![Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/polski_filip/32/75318_2.png) [@Polski\_Filip](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Polski_Filip)\ **Post date:** [13 September 2017 06:49 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/climate-change-deniers/3433/36 "2017-09-13T06:49:48Z")
Totall agree with you on this. Weā€™ve become so accustomed to ā€œSpinā€ - ie Lies from everywhere. The Labour Diesel Car policy is a classic examplpe - bloke tells us Diesel Cars are great so we go buy them. Then they say Diesel Cars are MURDERING INNOCENT CHILDREN and Kittens - and people lose money, shrug their shoulders and carry on. The FACT of the Labour Policy was ā€œselective interpretation of dataā€ - it was fucking OBVIOUS to anyone who actually has to drive a car that Trucks spew out shit. But one piece of shit was less bad than the shit from a Petrol Car. One day someone will likely say the same about Electric Cars - great we stopped using Petrol. But we had to build a Nuclear Power Plant and destroy the scenery of and lives of so many by building wind turbines and 75% of the planet still have to burn fossil fuel to create their power so we burn MORE. Earth is a Complex System. Politicians are Black or White - soundbites - never grey and NEVER Complex. Increased Sun Spot activity, axis wobbling, El Nino all have impacts. In the late 1970ā€™s ALL the Scientific research was pointing at an impending Ice Age (Nigel Calder - The Threat of Ice) and now here we are slow roasting (or drowning) The biggest probllem with al of this has been the label - Global Warming - it sticks. It has many interpretations. Climate Change is pretty fucking obvious. Problem is the Scientists (who need to earn their Grants) have too much invested under the Temperature Umbrella not the Weather Pattern umbrella and working backwards. ---
**Author:** ![Bathsaint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/bathsaint/32/22_2.png) [@Bathsaint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Bathsaint)\ **Post date:** [13 September 2017 07:29 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/climate-change-deniers/3433/37 "2017-09-13T07:29:57Z")
Not really. Essentially, that article says that two wrongs (increasing sea temperatures and aerosol pollution in the atmosphere) were just about keeping a lid on hurricane incidence. Weā€™re removing one of those and are left with the other. No matter what ā€˜agendasā€™ scientists have to promote, their science is held up to scrutiny and can always be reassessed to investigate how robust of otherwise it is. The Climate change discussion largely centres around massive meta-analyses that link together the various bits and pieces of the puzzle to give us an overall picture. It is imperfect because it is so astoundingly complex, but most people, I think, would agree that it is pretty important and something we need to tackle pretty damn quickly. ---
**Author:** ![gavstar](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/gavstar/32/86128_2.png) [@gavstar](https://www.sotonians.com/u/gavstar)\ **Post date:** [13 September 2017 08:52 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/climate-change-deniers/3433/38 "2017-09-13T08:52:07Z")
Simpler explanationā€¦ [](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfc_CrwiE4Y) ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [13 September 2017 09:03 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/climate-change-deniers/3433/39 "2017-09-13T09:03:05Z")
Homophobe. ---
**Author:** ![Bathsaint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/bathsaint/32/22_2.png) [@Bathsaint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Bathsaint)\ **Post date:** [13 September 2017 09:11 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/climate-change-deniers/3433/40 "2017-09-13T09:11:33Z")
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