👨 👨🏽 👨🏿 Black Lives Matter protest

[pap]

I trired to do my best with the incomprehensible nonsense you spouted.

C’est la vie.

[BaggySaint]

Well we surely seem to have moved on a tad from the black lives matter protests. The problem with the history of suppressed populations is what we can see now. Throughout the world history those that were under an oppressive rule can quite often become much worse.
How we can blame Cameron I fail to understand. If we had done nothing about the regimes killing those who disagreed with them, we would have been villified for a lack of action.

[BaggySaint]

For me it is not that we acted but that when we did we often left before a country was settled and run in a much friendlier way
by it’s new rulers.

[CB-Saint]

@BaggySaint

Well we surely seem to have moved on a tad from the black lives matter protests

Welcome to sotonians

[pap]

For me, you don’t scrap with anyone that hasn’t tried to attack you first.

[Polski_Filip]

Well said Les Ferdinand

Club statement: Taking the knee

[Barry-Sanchez]

@Barry-Sanchez

Nothing but continuing to do so will weaken the discussion, it has to evolve from here.

Bazza bang on it once again.

[Bucks]

Brilliant from QPR.

[BaggySaint]

some sensible reaction to the BLM and perhaps it will help get something better started.

[gavstar]

Hmmm. An innocent woman shot and killed and the only charge upheld is ‘wanton endangerment’ because some of the officer’s bullets entered a neighbour’s apartment

Two officers shot during Breonna Taylor protests

[scotty]

As long as American police and civilians are routinely armed, this sort of tragedy is going to happen. We don’t know whether the search was justified, although they say a warrant was issued for it. I don’t see how this can be chalked up as a racially motivated killing myself.

[Fowllyd]

It’s not really about killings being racially motivated though. It’s the fact that the police appear happy to open fire on black people in a way they wouldn’t on a white person. They’re not shooting black people because those people are black, which is what a racially motivated killing would be.

I guess the real question in this particular case is whether the police would have carried out a raid in the same manner had the occupiers of the apartment been white. The search was for drugs, based on the presumed presence at the apartment of a former boyfriend of Breonna Taylor.

[scotty]

Well, for starters the article doesn’t say what colour her current boyfriend is. Plus, according to the piece the boyfriend shot one of the police in the leg before they opened fire. Would they really be pondering subconsciously about his colour before shooting back? If I’m really going to be picky, I’d add that the police were there only because they thought, possibly incorrectly, that the ex-boyfriend might be having drug packages sent there or might be there himself. Well, the current boyfriend says he shot at the police because he thought it was the ex-boyfriend, so obviously he thought it possible the guy might turn up as well.

I probably don’t need to qualify this by reiterating my opinion that most of the problems across the pond are either caused by, or massively exacerbated by widespread gun ownership. I read these pieces and shudder, tbh.

[BaggySaint]

I agree that gun ownership being so easy to get can make the situation easier to reach a fatal end. However if I was being shot at when on active service I would fire back. The girl was stood next to the boyfriend so not totally innocent. The trouble at the moment is that every incident further fires the black propaganda wheels revving into a fury against authority.
Sad that she died but if she had moved away from the bf she might not have been shot.
Question is when do the police react to a shot being fired at them? Or should they simply allow it to happen> I think not.

[gavstar]

From NY Times.

‘‘Brett Hankison, a detective at the time, fired into the sliding glass patio door and window of Ms. Taylor’s apartment, both of which were covered with blinds, in violation of a department policy that requires officers to have a line of sight.’’

[Goatboy]

Maybe the blinds drew first?

[gavstar]

After doing a bit more digging, the guy that shot at the police wasn’t even the guy they were investigating, the police executed a ‘no knock’ raid suspecting that one of Taylor’s ex boyfriends may have been using the apartment to deal from. It is in dispute as to whether the police announced their presence or not.

[pap]

I’ve got a rabidly right wing 50 year old American on my Facebook feed. I know him from an obscure retro gaming forum. I’ve been debating this very subject with him and a couple of his right wing buds.

I’ve always maintained real reason that US citizens carry guns is because they don’t feel safe on their own soil. This is not going down well with our colonial cousins. Here are some of the arguments I’ve seen advanced.

• Your kid is more likely to die in a fatal auto accident on the way to school than in a gun shooting.
  • No shit, Sherlock. After our one and only school shooting, we tightened our gun control laws and haven’t had any further occurrences since 1996.
• Your criminals carry guns.
  • In a few hotspots, yes. So do the police that go after them. Most of our coppers don’t carry guns. In your country, civilians carry guns. Fistfights become murders. Divorces become murder suicides.
• You carry knives.
  • Young people carry knives, it’s a serious problem that the country sees as horrific, and is trying to address.
• It’s our constitutional right!
  • Yeah, to remove by force bad leadership. That leadership instead has you pointing guns at each other.

[BaggySaint]

For that there is no excuse if he did it purposely. Nobody should ever fire at a target that cannot be seen. It still doesn’t say that the police fired until fired upon though.

[gavstar]

That bit I’m not sure about, without bodycam footage I guess we’ll never really know.