# ❄ Are you a woke bloke? (MoM approved) **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [21 January 2020 19:40 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/are-you-a-woke-bloke-mom-approved/5442 "2020-01-21T19:40:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [23 January 2020 16:16 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/are-you-a-woke-bloke-mom-approved/5442/61 "2020-01-23T16:16:21Z")
She wasn’t responding to his comment in any meaningful way. There is no counter-argument apart from “white male privilege”, none of which bar his experience from informing him. Is he going to have gotten racial abuse? Highly unlikely. Is he more likely to be able to gauge racial abuse perpetrated by others? Absolutely. He is in fact more likely to have witnessed white people being racist because they’re more likely to feel comfortable making those sorts of comments. Fox’s questioner was a thick regurgitator with no real conviction, no real substantiation to her claims ( perhaps she forgot about Meghan’s mother in law being murdered in a tunnel ) and has come out of that little exchange far worse than Fox managed. She looked unreasonable. ---
**Author:** ![WorzelScummage](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/worzelscummage/32/73175_2.png) [@WorzelScummage](https://www.sotonians.com/u/WorzelScummage)\ **Post date:** [24 January 2020 06:39 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/are-you-a-woke-bloke-mom-approved/5442/62 "2020-01-24T06:39:43Z")
I’ve been a little out of popular culture for the last year and a bit, but what is being “woke”? Is it just when you’re not being “sleep”? ---
**Author:** ![Rust-Cohle](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/rust-cohle/32/65_2.png) [@Rust-Cohle](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Rust-Cohle)\ **Post date:** [24 January 2020 07:34 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/are-you-a-woke-bloke-mom-approved/5442/63 "2020-01-24T07:34:26Z")
It’s when you cant sleep. Once your ‘woke’ you never sleep again. Scary stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Bucks](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/bucks/32/87_2.png) [@Bucks](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Bucks)\ **Post date:** [24 January 2020 16:31 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/are-you-a-woke-bloke-mom-approved/5442/64 "2020-01-24T16:31:35Z")
This fella again > **[Laurence Fox apologises to Sikhs over WW1 comments](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51233734)** > > He tweets his apology after questioning the "oddness of casting" a Sikh soldier in the film 1917. ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [24 January 2020 16:37 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/are-you-a-woke-bloke-mom-approved/5442/65 "2020-01-24T16:37:20Z")
I am glad he has done that. I got the point he was trying to make. That one Sikh bloke, on his own, in 1917, looks a little bit like checkboxery. And yes I am well aware that we had our whole Empire fighting for us during those times, including Sikhs, but the film doesn’t really put that in context, whereas something like Glory absolutely fucking does. You might walk away from 1917 thinking that the British Army was a rainbow coalition of all men fighting side by side irrespective of race. You’d never get that impression from Glory. ---
**Author:** ![CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/cb-saint/32/95251_2.png) [@CB-Saint](https://www.sotonians.com/u/CB-Saint)\ **Post date:** [24 January 2020 18:28 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/are-you-a-woke-bloke-mom-approved/5442/66 "2020-01-24T18:28:16Z")
Tbf on his twitter feed he got a lot of support and respect from Sikhs for that apology ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [24 January 2020 18:33 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/are-you-a-woke-bloke-mom-approved/5442/67 "2020-01-24T18:33:07Z")
Fair play to the Sikhs for accepting it. The cultural norm on Twitter seems to be perpetual condemnation. I’ve seen Fox on a few interviews this week. It is clear that he has been pissed off about woke culture for a few years. I have gotten that way myself; as someone that wants a left-wing government little saddens me more than to see people on my own side acting hysterical with no sense of perspective, understanding, or the ability to debate an issue. ---
**Author:** ![scotty](https://www.sotonians.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@scotty](https://www.sotonians.com/u/scotty)\ **Post date:** [24 January 2020 19:12 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/are-you-a-woke-bloke-mom-approved/5442/68 "2020-01-24T19:12:11Z")
I trust the film accurately portrays the full range of gender identities and sexuality. I’d hate to think that our armed forces in 1917 weren’t in touch with their feminine sides. ---
**Author:** ![Fatso](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/fatso/32/18_2.png) [@Fatso](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Fatso)\ **Post date:** [24 January 2020 20:58 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/are-you-a-woke-bloke-mom-approved/5442/69 "2020-01-24T20:58:17Z")
> [@pap](#): > > as someone that wants a left-wing government little saddens me more than to see people on my own side acting hysterical with no sense of perspective, understanding, or the ability to debate an issue. I’m not sure they’re on your side anymore. Your side seems to have changed quite drastically. ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [24 January 2020 21:33 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/are-you-a-woke-bloke-mom-approved/5442/70 "2020-01-24T21:33:44Z")
Thanks for communicating your uncertainty. It means a lot. To clarify, no-one takes hysterical cunts screaming about their newly adopted identity politics cause very seriously, and there are a lot of them about. ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [25 January 2020 12:22 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/are-you-a-woke-bloke-mom-approved/5442/71 "2020-01-25T12:22:13Z")
> **[History Isn't 'Woke' – It's the Best Defence we have Against Tyranny and Hate...](https://bylinetimes.com/2020/01/21/history-isnt-woke-its-the-best-defence-we-have-against-tyranny-and-hate/)** > > Hardeep Matharu explains how Laurence Fox's myopia about the role of Sikh soldiers in World War One is a wider British problem of imperial amnesia. ---
**Author:** ![saintbletch](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saintbletch/32/618_2.png) [@saintbletch](https://www.sotonians.com/u/saintbletch)\ **Post date:** [25 January 2020 13:32 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/are-you-a-woke-bloke-mom-approved/5442/72 "2020-01-25T13:32:24Z")
> Perhaps it is not, as Fox suggests, the inclusion of a brown man _per se_ in the film which he finds distracting, but his own uncomfortable, unsettling thoughts about his annoyance at this. The question for himself then becomes: why does it bother him so much? ---
**Author:** ![Intiniki](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/intiniki/32/9_2.png) [@Intiniki](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Intiniki)\ **Post date:** [25 January 2020 14:03 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/are-you-a-woke-bloke-mom-approved/5442/73 "2020-01-25T14:03:10Z")
She is an academic/lecturer on race and ethnicity. So maybe has some idea. White male privilege is a thing. It’s not that you are rich but the systems are much more stacked in your favour if you are white and male. There are exceptions to this. Then next there is white female privilege. Still not as great as the males though. You know like having only had the vote for a century or being able to have a bank account of our own etc… I’ve been out of the country and didn’t log into here for the past two weeks. Have to say this thread doesn’t make me want to much now either. So you were sort of right in your first comment. Spent some of the time reading the book Guilty Feminist which may give some insight into issues about male privilege. Or Natives by Akala which I also finished. ---
**Author:** ![pap](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/pap/32/74795_2.png) [@pap](https://www.sotonians.com/u/pap)\ **Post date:** [25 January 2020 14:11 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/are-you-a-woke-bloke-mom-approved/5442/74 "2020-01-25T14:11:14Z")
I am not for a second disputing that people come from different backgrounds. I am even prepared to acknowledge that if you’re white and male in this country, you have an easier time than the law-abiding BAME population. What I do not accept is someone’s background being used to deny them an opinion, which is precisely what happened in the QT exchange. ---
**Author:** ![Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/goatboy/32/167_2.png) [@Goatboy](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Goatboy)\ **Post date:** [25 January 2020 14:15 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/are-you-a-woke-bloke-mom-approved/5442/75 "2020-01-25T14:15:45Z")
His opinion wasnt denied. It was broadcast on national tv. He is welcome to his opinion and to express it. Even when it’s codswallop. It’s not a free speech issue. ---
**Author:** ![saintbletch](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saintbletch/32/618_2.png) [@saintbletch](https://www.sotonians.com/u/saintbletch)\ **Post date:** [25 January 2020 14:16 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/are-you-a-woke-bloke-mom-approved/5442/76 "2020-01-25T14:16:02Z")
Should just call the program **Statement Time** and be done with it. ---
**Author:** ![Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saint-or-sinner/32/64280_2.png) [@Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Saint-or-sinner)\ **Post date:** [25 January 2020 15:05 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/are-you-a-woke-bloke-mom-approved/5442/77 "2020-01-25T15:05:53Z")
I haven’t read his words before and i only know what’s quoted in the article, but this bit leaves him nowhere to turn. He went on: “It’s like, ‘there were Sikhs fighting in this war’… **okay, you’re now diverting me away from what the story is.** There is something institutionally racist about forcing diversity on people in that way.” What a twat. ---
**Author:** ![lifeintheslowlane](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/lifeintheslowlane/32/690_2.png) [@lifeintheslowlane](https://www.sotonians.com/u/lifeintheslowlane)\ **Post date:** [25 January 2020 15:57 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/are-you-a-woke-bloke-mom-approved/5442/78 "2020-01-25T15:57:02Z")
Is that racist or someone desperately in need of a history lesson. :lou_eyes_to_sky: ---
**Author:** ![Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/saint-or-sinner/32/64280_2.png) [@Saint-or-sinner](https://www.sotonians.com/u/Saint-or-sinner)\ **Post date:** [25 January 2020 16:04 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/are-you-a-woke-bloke-mom-approved/5442/79 "2020-01-25T16:04:41Z")
Racist. He clearly has no interest in the history. Could be fun talking to him about history though 😂 ---
**Author:** ![lifeintheslowlane](https://www.sotonians.com/user_avatar/www.sotonians.com/lifeintheslowlane/32/690_2.png) [@lifeintheslowlane](https://www.sotonians.com/u/lifeintheslowlane)\ **Post date:** [25 January 2020 16:08 UTC](https://www.sotonians.com/t/are-you-a-woke-bloke-mom-approved/5442/80 "2020-01-25T16:08:24Z")
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